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</html>";s:4:"text";s:19311:"To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. “This means,” the Master continued “that when someone reaches out to you for help, you should never say ‘I pray that God will help you.’ Instead for the moment, you should become an atheist, imagine that there is no God who can help, and say ‘I will help you.’” you're not supposed to suspend disbelief. It covers anyone who doesn’t believe in a supernatural god or gods. It should transcend any idea of reward or punishment and be done simply for the sake that it is genuine. Hasidic tale about atheism Just something I wanted to share that came up in another subreddit but is relevant here as well: There is a famous story told in Hasidic literature that addresses this very question. Chassidic teaching takes the deepest secrets of Torah —concepts and narratives that, through the ages, were revealed to only a select few sages in every generation—and makes them accessible and comprehensible to every individual, and applicable in every individual’s life. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. @benhmiller Nah. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. I'd like to blame God for the Republicans, in fact that is the only reason I can think of, so I may have to rethink this agnosticsm/atheism thing. The story assumes that a theological belief is more valid if it makes humans behave better. In fact, he does not believe in God at all, so his acts are based on an inner sense of morality. We were taught that it is "...the highest level of love known to humanity: a selfless love that is passionately committed to the well-being of others." One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? There is no god so there is no creation of anything. Welcome to Atheist Discussion, a new community created by former members of The Thinking Atheist forum. You see, when an atheist performs an act of charity, visits someone who is sick, helps someone in need, and cares for the world, he is not doing so because of some religious teaching. Cewley: Most atheists I know are more Christian than so-called Christians. Bad analogy. One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? A point also often made by Christopher Hitchens, but with a somewhat different lesson intended. That being consequentialism versus deontology. Part 2 Three more topics about Atheism: 3. It was said (actually the Kotzker said) it was because he spent too much time reciting and repeating the words; “And who by fire” as per the High Holiday prayer service. I've seen this one a few times here before. Chat or rant, adult content, spam, insulting other members. Then of course they want you to come back (in time to give money I presume). In 1811, when The Necessity of Atheism was first published, the tract caught the attention of the administration at Oxford University, where Shelley was a student. We are thinking beings on a rock in space and share the same fragility as everything else here. But there are limits. Same with everyone who is an asshole. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. (they're only useless if you believe they're factual; they're not useless in terms of giving children an outlet for their fears and other emotions). Buber wrote these tales based on the lore of the Baal Shem Tov.Many of the stories are parables passed down via both the written and spoken word. -- anyway it's an anti-dan quayle joke and translates beautifully into an anti-trump joke) and another one of my favorite stories has god, the devil and a bit of magic in it (it's about literacy). Atheist ex-Muslim here, I wish my community was half as nice as yours . Your Reports Help Protect the Agnostic CommunityReport Content, I think this violates the community guidelines. I mean... literally this "story" highlights the arrogance of religious people, not the virtues of atheists. Why did God create them?”, The Master responds “God created atheists to teach us the most important lesson of them all — the lesson of true compassion. There are about as many ways to disbelieve as there are ways to believe — different degrees, different emphases, and different expressions. I've heard people admit when asked uncomfortable questions that they 'just don't look at it too close'. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. no compromise of principles and no suspension of disbelief beyond the usual is necessary. One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists… I get were do i get my morals from being atheist I tell them don't need to rewarded or threatened to know what is right. One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? This daily companion taps into Chassidic wisdom to help tackle life's tasks in a meaningful way. Both of these positions are axiomatic and the foundations for their respective moral systems. The religious context makes some people think they are special creations and this anthropocentric view distorts our lived experience. The Master teaches the student that God Created everything in the wordl to be appreciated since everything is here to teach us a lesson. 2 (1991)". Natural forces will play out regardless of our perceived ‘specialness’. One of my earliest scifi reads was Cities In Flight by James Blish. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. Can you actually imagine a god that requires worship being worth anything at all? … I hated all of it, so I left and entered a world full of uncertainty and a broad spectrum of ideas about right and wrong. But under that umbrella are many shades and grades of disbelief and many people with different […] Why Did God Create Atheists? Just something I wanted to share that came up in another subreddit but is relevant here as well: There is a famous story told in Hasidic literature that addresses this very question. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. The Master responds “God created atheists to teach us the most important lesson of them all — the lesson of true compassion. @benhmiller Perhaps because humans aren’t it’s main point of interest the same way that we peel some vegetables. But at that point I will have lost a lot of respect for them. One cleaver student asks: 'What lesson can we learn from atheists? This is how i told my mom. In fact, he does not believe in God at all, so his acts are based on an inner sense of morality. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. Mom: Chal mandir chalte hain darshan kare abhut time ho gaya tujhe. Stories like this are why I respect Judaism. You see, when an atheist performs and act of charity, visits someone who is sick, helps someone in need, and cares for the world, he is not doing so because of some religious teaching. um, no, that's not what the story says at ALL! There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. What's that old story that no one ever sincerely goes to Seminary school and graduates believing in God? Why Did God Create Atheists? The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. Never. —Martin Buber, Tales of Hasidim Vol. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. Why Did God Create Atheists? I can accept that students start with good, honorable intentions but at some point they have to give up their sincerity or honesty or at the very least their forthrightness to finish. I wonder how many believers would then think this through to its logical conclusion, which would be to see that they did not need to invoke god to do the right thing by their fellow humans, but in fact were better able to help than any prayer could......so by extension, that belief in god is completely superfluous! Martin Buber was one of the great existential philosophers. but one of my favorite stories has the ba'al shem tov in it (he existed, and was considered by some to be the messiah, but of course never said he was the messiah -- he founded chassidism, which has in many ways become the opposite of what the besht, as he is abbreviated, intended -- at any rate it's about the difference between speaking and listening), one of my favorite jokes has st. peter in it (and i was never even christian! You know, like gay people, and atheists. In a day's time I generally try to commit at least one random act of kindness. I still feel out of place as someone who doesn’t believe in G-d even though I was raised in the Reform denomination. The peel is there but not necessarily going to be part of our meal. The Master [teacher] teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? As an atheist (better described as agnostic) this story does promote the message the Rabbi thinks it does. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. … Birth defects and diseases that kill and cripple. I'll stick with being a good atheist always. It’s good to know that there are some Jews that don’t see a conflict. gotta keep the believers scared shitless of retribution. The Chassidic classic HaYom Yom in a new English translation. 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