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This is a perfect example of when such an action is warranted; if the LW were in the same situation, I would absolutely agree with making a call to the other company in order to potentially prevent additional risk/exposure. A friend of mine did something similar: She was very unhappy at longtime Job A. +100! This person…sigh. Esp if he works in sales, he may be working completely on commission or part-time with other job. Wouldn’t you want to know? He quit, so I think both of those ships have sailed. That may be part of why they don’t care. Everything the OP said is evidence that the ’employee’ took paid time off under false pretenses. Even when he used PTO. We still need unions. OP can of course share information and stick to the facts, but I don’t know that that does anything for OP or OP’s company. You’re not dictating what they do with the information. Like in an open thread there was a woman who mentioned she was suspended for a day for chastising a woman with cancer for calling it her FIGHT with cancer (since that suggests some people who die are losers.) I normally hate to go completely balls to the wall negative on someone I barely know, but the employee arranged to do the job the OP wrote in about in the evenings when kids were asleep. I think that’s a bit of a stretch. You wouldn’t call that charity or a bonus. There’s a difference between “we don’t have enough information to suggest lighting this guy’s life on fire is the right move” and “but what about Brock Turner’s reputation.”. No. Some people may think what I did was unethical and maybe it was, but my husband was seriously ill and his bills had to get paid somehow. So I’d say it’s a combo at this point— in this particular situation, both the Union and HR combined are making it impossible to fire this person. To me it’s SO SO SO obvious this guy was just trying to get away with whatever scam he could as long as he could, and was using “sick wife & kids” as a sympathetic diversion/excuse. Ensure that your flex plan is not seen as discriminatory. Still, you fire him. This is probably getting off-topic, but compared to many other countries, the US’s wage and labor laws, especially things like paid sick time and family leave, are pitiful. We have OP’s suspicions and a story that sound s not entirely credible. And then there’s OP, who could end up ruining her own reputation by being “the person who could have warned us but didn’t” if this guy ends up screwing over the other place too. And even if that were true, why the hell would ANYONE take a second job that required them to work the same hours/days as their first one? Their other employer deserves to know. And while it’s all too fresh to appreciate it now, the OP is going to have a damn good story about this whole fiasco. I’m with you on this, Mike C. I don’t understand this desire in some people to pursue this person to the ends of the Earth (or why you’re getting so much stick for calling them out on it). The fact that there are otg feet reasons for doing something out get than revenge (based on justifiable outage for being wronged) does matter. Bad reputation? Each employer will withhold all applicable taxes as prescribed by local law and this can be adjusted (if needed) by submitting properly sized W4s for each job. He left the LW 1 job when he realized that two jobs was an impossible dream. You have no idea if he was lying, because you don’t know anything about the requirements of the other position. He cost this company thousands of dollars in salary and benefits – probably for his wife and children, too – so you can take him down. Does anyone else think this sounds like the same guy?!!? It’s not worth OP’s time and brainspace. That’s being uncritical about the purpose and nature of the conversation about harassment and the conversation about appropriate responses. My question is, what recourse does my company have (if any) to recoup his salary? The United States Department of Labor oversees and enforces more than 180 federal laws governing workplace activities for about 10 million employers and 125 million workers. I don’t use LinkIn much so I’m not sure of that is a viable option but if it is that would be a good way to publicly out him for being an ass. If he doesn’t, you pick up the phone and call every other related company in town and explain exactly what happened. By and large it’s entry-lead generation and appointment scheduling. I feel like it’s the same on both sides here, people are normally good about going “well sure we can’t know for sure but it’s reasonable to assume the quacking, paddling, waddling, duck-shaped object in your pond is indeed a duck.” But for some reason people are acting like we just can’t know enough about his situation to say this is exactly what it appears to be, and rather stridently insisting as well. Even if you are only taking on a holiday job to help afford holiday activities, it can be draining on you. And even when they do their job, sometimes they are super lax. That kind of thing can have significant repercussions to other people’s jobs and the overall health of the business. Caring for a three and five year old is a full-time gig that takes all your attention. I don’t think it’s necessarily actionable, but this greedy ass might not know it. @joeqwerty why not post your comment as an answer? [EDIT] This is in the U.S. and I'm specifically wondering about two full-time W-2 jobs, not one full-time, one part-time/gig/side hustle. It will be awesome. Data show that, among workers with multiple jobs, the vast majority are managing either one full-time job and a secondary part-time job or two part-time jobs. If his work at the other place is good and the OP is factual, why should it impact his livelihood? I would also say that this is worth mentioning to the HR person you talked to, not in a “get revenge” way, but it’s highly relevant information about the ethical nature of an employee. It only takes a minute to sign up. Encourage staff to disclose information about their other jobs. Oh, yes, a classic. What good will that do? Mike C.: I agree with you that it’s far too extreme to say that he doesn’t deserve to work at all, ever again. You can’t work a second job while using PTO from a first job? And OP knows he didn’t perform (but doesn’t know why). He could have worked two jobs openly, with the blessing of both companies. I was floored. I would be really tempted to do this too. Whatever he’s doing at that job would not be my problem. There are too many amazing coincidences & unlikely occurrences that would need to have happened for it to be even remotely true.). More publicly, there’s Belle Gibson: https://gizmodo.com/health-app-developer-who-faked-her-own-cancer-fined-32-1818874174 The law does allow for concurrent employment; however, a separate H-1B application must be filed before work for the second employer may begin. I guess it depends on what the OP said when she called…was she upfront about why she called, or did she use a guise? It had been half an hour. Aside from that another manager at another job suspected an employee of doing it too and fired him. How to Work 2 Full-Time Jobs. And if he is bold/delusional enough to use you as a reference, go ahead and be 100% honest. If there’s not a provision barring other employment in the employee manual or other policies of the company, you can’t really penalize people for having outside jobs. Not really. I still stand by the fact that’s not someone I’d want working for me. No. Agree. I was going to second Snark on ruining this guy to his current job, but I have more faith in humanity than I really should. We don’t know. If I was his new manager I sure as hades would want that information! In this case, he was a lousy employee who did a lousy thing and burned a bridge in the process. The Coronavirus at Work: Your Legal Questions Answered ... on jobs. Action, consequence – done. Inform their HR about what he had done. Having two full time jobs does cause some complications. Sorry, but I don’t think that’s a great comparison. Not cool. If the wife actually is sick (the best lies have some truth in them), he wouldn’t want to have a gap in pay and or/benefits. (Usually when I see that term, it’s the same leave bank for vacation and sick, there’s no separate sick leave). It’s still wrong, but he could be shown some compassion. She did it for sympathy and attention. Somehow, the boss found out so he called the other company and asked for Jane Doe. By all means, take comfort. What about every other letter where someone writes in about a poorly performing employee who the company wont fire? People are allowed to express opinions here that others may disagree with, as long as they do it politely and as long as those opinions aren’t bigoted or aggressively rude/unkind. It’s not fraud because he merely worked two jobs. Warning his employer this guy is a thief is in no way illegal, intentions don’t matter. If this person was hourly and was clocking in and leaving you might have a claim, but that seems like a stretch from what’s relayed in the letter. Who knows WHY he did it- maybe he wanted to see which one he liked better before he picked, maybe he just wanted to scam a 2nd paycheck as long as he could, maybe he really is in debt and needed the money. Sh!t, I meant Merchant of Venice, not Othello. And FMLA usage is capped per rolling calendar year–any amount used now for his wife’s fake illness won’t be available should he or anyone he knows develop an actual ailment. at night after the kids went to bed?) It’s so, so easy to turn someone you don’t know into a cartoon villain online. But, in states without the Medicaid expansion, a truly ill adult (and their spouse) can be left with precious few options. But financial hardship is one of the main reasons people commit fraud, they’re not mutually exclusive – it’s rarer that they do it just because they think they can, at least on a small scale like this. So start a legal process against him for fraud. 1. Since it was on the job, our crappy student health insurance wouldn’t pay. FWIW, depending on the industry it can be a regulatory issue – my industry is governed by the SEC so conflicts of interest are serious business. But we’re not sure if that’s even the case here. Unless you think a person can work 2 full time jobs in 8-10 hours, Owler is 100% correct. Unless OP is 1000% sure that this employee was doing something nefarious, s/he should ABSOLUTELY refrain from contacting the other employer; the consequences are way too cruel otherwise. No, it actually sounds like he didn’t want to go on record as “quitting” but being let go/laid off. Or only in jobs related to your field? The reason he was working nonstandard businesshours at job #1 was to take care of the kids during said normal business hours. WOW. I’ve had to work two jobs before while my husband was sick and I was caring for him. Especially since he resigned on March 1 – at many companies insurance will kick in on the first day of the month. You bet. Something part time nights/weekends? (I would feel differently about someone with a side gig who was still getting their work done. Or the Eli hoax: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/who-would-fake-a-tragedy-on-facebook-just-to-get-sympathy-and-attention/2016/06/20/fac0150e-018d-11e6-9203-7b8670959b88_story.html. In fact, our company begged her to stay and offered her a raise. I’ve got to admire your courage to admit this, here. Because, what, he got away with it fair and square? I plan on working two jobs, buT not two full time. It may be he thought he could handle two jobs to pay all the medical bills. Lying about two jobs is still questionable judgment. Is what you have here really “good enough for a multimillion dollar lawsuit”? I suppose if you were paying this guy for PTO while he was employed, that’s fraud and you can demand the money back. @ JM60, underperforming at work isn’t theft (not legally and to most people, not morally), and any “false pretenses” that would make this fraud or theft by swindle are assumed at this moment. Not actually do anything, just…get paid for two extra hours each day. (For example, you might be tempted to write a letter to his existing employer. See, the fact that No One Would Dare is what folks like this are counting on. You’re not using the legal process for the supposed fraud, after all. After which he realizes he can’t go back to doing both and caring for the kids in the day. Because reasons.). It can’t be FMLA, that doesn’t kick in until you’ve worked somewhere for 12 months. Balancing two jobs is not the issue here; it’s the lying and failing to do work that he did. Why waste anymore valuable time and energy on someone who’s no longer in your employ? They are then welcome to do their own investigation and make their own determination — if it turns out that the guy was only working for this place part time, or has some other reasonable explanation, they may decide not to fire him. Having always worked in private, I felt bad employees were everywhere regardless of unions and mostly protected by inept management. Also it’s blackmail. He went to that floor and stepped into the lobby of a law firm and hid behind a ficus waiting for her to walk through the lobby – when she did, he jumped out and yelled “aha!” (very dramatic story teller). I think you are perfectly within ethics to never hire him again. Wow. US labor laws are a joke, and their enforcement is even more of a joke – because a lot of powerful people ensure it stays that way. There are just so many ways this could backfire on OP and it’s not worth it for someone who is already out of their hair. No wonder. Wow. 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