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";s:4:"text";s:26449:"Another shot...Afraid my batteries are running down. They look like and more than likely are just another set of dressed up Schallers. What is the Tuning of a Mandolin? [QUOTE]I have used them and have a set on my personal mandolin. She took my order and I thought that she really didn't know much about them. I thought I heard at one point they are supposed to have been taken from the design of the waverlies and manufactured overseas. True. I have been trying to decide between them and the grover vintage tuners. Meanwhile, the Elites are certainly better than what I had. I bought the elite A nickel set and dropped it in without the bushings (I prefer not to drill bigger holes in a vintage instrument) but using standard bushings if that is the right term. Other than that I am quite happy with them. The local Radio shack's here in Oregon have discontinued selling it in single bottles, but a bottle can be obtained by buying an "etching kit"....about 2x the price of an 8oz bottle. In this lesson, world renowned mandolin player, Caterina Lichtenberg (http://bit.ly/catmandolin), demonstrates the correct way to tune a mandolin. Ferric chloride is used to etch circuit boards and is available at Radio Shack. See photo. #I will let you know how I like them after the holidays. A little tighter than Schallers or Grovers but I like that. an adjustable worm gear that provides a smooth, presise turning action while keeping the gear and. $100. GAK is the UK's Number 1 Musical Instrument Shop. I am very happy with them. They're like Schaller and Grovers now. Gotoh is another well-recognized, well-regarded brand in the guitar parts space. At Radio Shack they refer to it as Printed Circuit Board etching solution or PCB etching solution. $4.00 (6) Many small items can ship with "strings-only" orders over $30 and still be eligible for free shipping offers. I have been looking for a set of arrow end tuners to go on a newly acquired A2Z. Hey how do you do the ferric chloride treatment? It will tune, but I have to retune after every couple of songs. i am happy now. Use Waverly's on my 2 guitars and like them, but not enough to pay what the want for their mando tuners (if they still made them). Pick one of the G strings of the pair, and see if the online mandolin tuner shows your are in-tuned. Even the cheapest Ping gears don't and can't slip. I didn't get that far into the conversation. I usually get the Mother of Toilet seat ones and just crack the buttons off and replace them with ivoroid or MOP after I've done the distressing. stewmac sent me another set and same deal with them. Elite High Quality tuners F-style Mandolin from Stew Mac. I liked the sound of "economy" tuners for this bowlback mandolin I was rehabbing. Nice thing is you don't have to grind the holes out to fit like when putting buttons on Schallers. Where did you get the info about the tuners being made by schaller? 2990 Cahill Main. Maple and mahogany are the most preferred woods here, as the neck should be rigid. #I have a set on order. £2.99 postage. What kind of effects will abrasive things like dirt ect have on the nylon bushing? They were so stiff I could barely turn them (before even being mounted). We offer a massive selection of Shoulder Rests, Rosin, Tuners, Metronomes, Mutes, Electronics, Chin Rests, Music Stands, Humidifiers, Wolf Eliminators, Practice Aids, and hundreds of other items. Don showed me a set at IBMA...they looked worth a try. both strings should produce the same sound, but we only tune one string at a time. I used printed curcuit board echant...got it at Radio Shack. Grover® quality and craftsmanship. I did the same thing as Skip on my last set, and it did help. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif. More teeth per inch mean more friction and more twisting. Alomejor Tuning Pegs Mandolin Machine Heads 4L4R Tuners Tuning Button Accesso... £37.88. Only 2 left in stock - order soon. Arm: see Neck- an alternative name for this part. Online Tuner The G Strings Lowest in pitch, and closest to your chin The D Strings Second lowest in pitch, and second closest to your chin The A Strings Third lowest in pitch, and third closest to your They do not keep tune and there is a small piece that has come loose on the E tuner closest to the body. gald to hear that Gotohs are better.I used two pair about a year and a half ago and swore to never buy another. Two Gotoh mandolin gears sets compared The strip on the left is from a set of normal Gotoh A gears, as have been available for the last 15 or so years, with replacement ivoroid buttons from Stew-Mac. These tuners come with traditional thumbscrew style locking functionality, have a 16:1 gear ratio, and are sure to improve your guitar’s overall tuning stability. #They work pretty well, but don't feel anywhere near as smooth as Waverlys. The mandolin tuner found in the GuitarTuna app will let you easily have your instrument sound as good as it was meant to. Let’s start! Installation Tips. I am very happy with them. $24.89 $ 24. The tuners are very stiff at first, Soak them in Ferric Chloride for a short dip and they loosen right up. Allparts® Music Corporation is the world's leading distributor of guitar, bass, and amplifier parts to retailers, builders, and techs. $150. Next. FREE Shipping. Next time I'll paint brush the stuff on (like Hans told me to do in the first place!!) I have used them and like them very much; very smooth and fine looking to boot. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif. From the looks of the set of Goats I got, it would take some blunt trauma to break that rivet although I guess a faulty set can't be ruled out. If not, never mind. The "ivoroid" buttons that StewMac offers separately are not celluloid but some very hard material that does not get soft with heat. #Maybe screws are a hassle. Armed with a love of guitars and a knack for business, Rogers […] The elite sets are significantly lighter than the corresponding schaller and grover sets ( A-style sets: 181g vs 209g vs 224g). That being said, this mandolin stays in tune so well, I sometimes go for a week or two between tunings! They don't seem to be made to very close tolerances, though. OK, boys and girls, here's Lloyd 4 set up with antiqued tuners. It is a tough plastic. I think they are a nice alternative to trying to find a $500 set of old original arrow-head tuners. Russell, I think you should address the slots in the nut before you blame the Gotohs. Most orders are eligible for free shipping. That combined with the tightness makes them pretty hard to turn. Jim. Free postage. I thought I heard at one point they are supposed to have been taken from the design of the waverlies and manufactured overseas. Two fewer screws would barely be significant in terms of weight. I bought the instrument used a few months back and I believe it is a year or two old and had not been played much, but the tuners are horrible. #I will install them during New Years Break. Are they better than schallers or Grover? The Gotoh gear thing is pretty disappointing. I will try Collings and see if they will help. That makes for very little to no backlash. Please check the shipping calculator tab above for your rate before bidding. Kluson Replacement Button Set For Supreme Series Mandolin Tuning Machines SKU: KMB Select Color:* Black [SKU:KMBBK] ($12.95) Ivory [SKU:KMBP] ($12.95) White Pearl [SKU:KMBWP] ($26.50) I will post a picture shortly. Having that widget (flotchie?) And then succedded in soaking the Elites just a bit too long as Hans pointed out (I still like the look) but then again, that was my first attempt. Paul, Thanks, I will try out the dyes before I die them the wrong color. Micron Elite 400 Speaker $200 (VANCOUVER) pic hide this posting restore restore this posting. Look at the Loar tuners, they only had three screws. My guess is that it's a press fit. Here's a set of Elites retrofit on an A2Z after a Ferric Chloride aging treatment. Buttons Accessories Key Adjust Round Head String Mandolin Tuner Practical. Did anybody notice the size of the bushings? I am thinking of swapping out the tuners on my Mid Missouri M-4. I have no idea what sort of tuners are on it, but will the Elite fit with little modification? I talked to StewMac today and they didn't say that. The back is the same, plus a small area near the upper and the back of the scroll which shows heavy finish wear. This can be found at the following link: Online Mandolin Tuner with Instructions. Most likely nylon was chosen because its cheaper, and easier, to manufacture. Shop Strap Buttons at StewMac. I've always regarded them as a high-grade outfit, but the guitar gears are a mess and the mandolin gears have taken a turn for the worse as well. Lp, I was hoping for a little more from these, too. They don't wiggle. Any other ideas on what would work well on the MT? mandroid. Boo. Buy online or at your local store today! I wonder why they decided to go with just 3 screws? ...Wish they had screw on buttons and slot screws on post and mounting also... For me, the cog screw slot is about look, though I associate phillipshead screws entirely with the Asian instrument tide that displaced so much of the American instrument-making effort in the '60s and after. Mandolin Tuner Pitch Detection- technical matters. Closer, but still another set of tuners that need custom work to make them look right on a vintage instrument. favorite this post Mar 11 Rare Northern JCD-2 Ukulele ... Grover 150G Imperial Tuners - 3+3 - Gold $125 (Vancouver) pic hide this posting restore restore this posting. I assume you mean this piece between the arrows is loose? Just took a second look. Thing I noticed about the tuners is unlike Schallers, Grovers and Gotohs, the post has no slop in the plate...YES! Have fun!!http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif. The Elites sound promising. Order today with StewMAX FREE Shipping! They're very pretty and they have nice looking ivoroid buttons, but the buttons are noticeably smaller than any other buttons I've used. I understand they are listed as for A-style mandolins, but I guess I would have liked a warning in the description that they will have to be installed "reverse tuning" for a bowlback. These tuners are very high quality in excellent condition and they are an excellent alternative to very expensive tuners. I think it is a mistake on this page (http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/Mandolin_tuners.html). Hope they don't make them too loose. You never saw phillipshead screws on American gears, ever - only on cheap imports. The standard mandolin tuning is the same as violin tuning: G-D-A-E, from low to high. Bindings: a strip of material fitted along the side of the fingerboard to make the neck more comfortable to play.Often decorative and made from various forms of wood, celluloid and plastic. From your comment it sounded like a string is binding and holding tension while the string is slack from the nut to the string post. Curious who makes them. However, take a look at it from a different view - why? They were drop in, no problems except redrill a couple of mounting holes. How to use this tuner: Click on the note for the string you want to tune and then turn the tuning pegs on your mandolin to match it up with the note that is being played.For best results adjust the volume on your computer until it has the same volume as your mandolin. This one's about tuners. 100% satisfaction guaranteed. Note that the mandolin has string pairs, i.e. #They are obviously built more lightly, whether that's an advantage or disadavantage. #I keep a box of slot head flat faced black screws around to replace those oval phillips ones. They are maybe a little stiff, but not bad at all. Just curious but what kind of life expectancy does nylon have when used as it is here ---- the bushing? Price is right at 6+. Free shipping on most orders. You can't beat that kind of customer service ----- period. The instrument is 10 years old. **Youtube MANDOLIN Tuner** is an interactive video designed to help you tune your instrument. #. Then dip the whole tuner in the etchant right up to the buttons for 10 seconds. However, as I mentioned, the 'E' string tuner closest to the body of the mandolin appears to be broken. The Elite tuners are now mounted and antiqued but for the buttons. #And I keep little screws around to simply drill and screw into the buttons to simulate screw on knobs. I have no allegiance. I was wondering if anyone has used the elite tuners from stew-mac? Do it again if it needs it, but don't overdo it. What do you think about them? These pairs of strings create a cool chorus-like … Free Shipping on Everything in the Continental USA (800) 535-7699 (219) 362-2340; We set up every guitar that leaves. £17.99. I'm with Michael and Russ - if someone's having trouble, they need to look elsewhere than the gears. Our Mandolin Peghead Drill Jig ensures precise 29/32" spacing for accurate alignment for these tuning machines.. Bushings: We recommend the #2061 Bushing Reamer (.328" diameter) to cut a clean, accurate counterbore for a professional job. I have them retrofitted to my 1917 Gibson A4. Russ, I turned the knobs with a string changer on a cordless screwdriver for several minutes and it helped. The most recent customer opted to replace his with Waverlys. $12.99. Now Rubner offers the same quality and value for Mandolin and Ukulele instruments. I have a set on my new Arches, and they work fine. Will the Elite fit the MT without any retro fitting (drop in)? Two fewer screws (3 vs 5) which would barely be significant; also I notice that the Elite tuning shafts are longer/project out farther from the baseplate. My advice is to dip the tuners for 10 seconds, rinse thoroughly, then paint the enchant on the plates, and rinse again. Here Are the Specs. So far, I have antiqued the Elite A tuners as Hans suggested and it worked well. Featuring cable-less operation and impressive accuracy, our mandolin tuner app is a tool that you won’t want to be without! The unique blend of woods, the hand-rubbed finish, the bloodwood bridge and the custom tailpiece all contribute to the rich and powerful sound that flows from John's mandolins. They are a bit stiff. The A – Style Mandolin Tuning Machines are representative of matching tuning machine heights. My Big Muddy (which I still love) goes out of tune so much, half of my playing time is actually spent tuning. From the lowest string set to the highest string set the tuning is GDAE.This tuning is the same as a violin or fiddle, but instead of 4 strings it has 4 pairs of strings (2 G strings, 2 D strings, 2 A strings and 2 E strings). The last two sets of Gotoh mando tuners I've used were not very good. Yup, it's about look. I'm kind of disappointed. I am wondering how these Elite tuners will stack up against the stock Gotohs on my Collings MT. Madison, Wisconsin 53711. Sadly, I guess the bushings will be like the Schallers. Lets get some feedback on this product before we bash it. Or why would you use it at all when you can get those spiffy little bushings from Stew-Mac that look right? I think most of us will agree that as long as they are attempting to make a tuner look like the old ones, they should make the tuner look like the old ones. The only difference is that the mandolin has eight strings, but the violin has only four.. On a mandolin, you tune each “course,” or pair, of strings to the same pitch, so the mandolin’s tuning is really G-G-D-D-A-A-E-E. Pages with related products. 8% back in rewards. Normal 0 false false false EN-US X-NONE X-NONE MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 Elite Tuners F-Style Mandolin from Stew Mac. Get your instrument set up right, and save a lot of loot on unnecessary gears. The Elites dropped into the A2Z without modification of the existing holes. Lp. Features. By the way, you can only get this at a local Radio Shack store, they won't sell it to you online. Spose I'll just fake the buttons and use Stew Macs, drill a hole and glue a screw. You put a little oil on them and spin 'em around for a bit and they work just fine. They are all brass and very smooth. Rich. Browse, buy, and become a dealer. I have noticed that the new Gotohs are stiffer than the ones they made for years before. So far so good. Lp. Rich. #I may upgrade at some point. I was looking at that too. The current F-9 mandolin may well be the best under $6K f-style mandolin available on the market today. They will be really stiff, and then loosen up, and then get stiff again next time the post turns back to the same spot. We're excited to offer this new Mandolin Tuner with Pitch Detection. Here we have the gold Magnum Lock-Trad guitar tuners, which look sharp, and if gold is your preferred finish, then this is one worth considering.. What happens as Geoff found out is that the posts, button shafts, worms and gears take a lot less time to "age" than the plates. Take a look at these (http://www.mandolincafe.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=Search&CODE=02&SID=481c8eb20a624196) threads for past discussions on the subject. They were SLOPPY and cheap looking. 1600 Windsor, California 95492 Toll Free: 1-800-477-4437 International: 707-687-2020 International or Local: 707-687-2020 I've never had a bum set of Gotohs, but I have had a few sets of Waverlys that didn't work well. See and discover other items: mandolin parts, mandolin tuner, gotoh tuners, antique guitar i had these and just could not get them to loosen up. Most likely friction in the nut slots. OK, here's the new tuners. WD® Music is a full service stringed instrument parts supplier with distributors in the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, Finland, Germany, Sweden, South Korea, Norway, New Zealand, Italy, France and other locations around the globe. Rosette Guitar Products welcomes you to our new presentation of Rubner Tuning Machines. Rich. They seem to be moderately priced, but the dimensions are odd. whatever tuners John used on mine are great. #The cogs can be sanded on emory cloth and used as-is or replated to look right. I think they picked up the description from the Schaller listing. 12:1 was plenty. #That's only 81% of the weight of the Grovers. Online Mandolin Tuner. All pre-owned items are rated and scored. Our commitment, as always, is to produce some of the worlds finest and exclusive tuning machines by fusing technology, precision engineering and artistry.Read More. Rich. Russ - could I suggest you start a new thread about that? Guess I got "lucky" since it seems very odd that piece would have broken. Peghole spacing: Plate-mounted tuners can't work efficiently if the pegholes are improperly drilled. I think the nylon bushing is a real improvement. Mandolin Tuning Pegs, Metal Machines Heads Tuners Tuning Button Accessories for Mandolin (Gold) 4.0 out of 5 stars 2. Although he bought, traded and sold guitars out of his home in the early years, it wasn’t until 1982 that Dave Rogers rented a 400 square foot space in a vacant dental office in La Crosse, Wisconsin, and Dave’s Guitar Shop was born. I thought I heard at one point they are supposed to have been taken from the design of the waverlies and manufactured overseas. The 309 "Professional" model tuners are the latest . Russ, no barb taken...just wanted to clarify my own statement. I believe the buttons will prove to be other than celluloid. I will look in my email archives to see what they were, but John will probably remember and post it before I do. I've also antiqued the tuners (didn't harm the nylon bushings-whew!) Economy Banjo Tuners, Nickel, set of 5. From what I saw at IBMA, I expect they will be better than Gots (otherwise 5 sets will go back). Now I will follow Paul's suggestion as to applying leather dye to the buttons. and where do you get ferric chloride? favorite this post Mar 11 To say the least, that is very good customer service, especially since I am not the original owner of the mandolin (which they are aware of). They are fashioned after the arrowhead tuners from the Loar Era? It is however a work in progress, and may not work with all devices Although you can use our main Mandolin Tuner on mobile devices, the pitch detecting tuner uses Flash so is not currently available on mobile. The "ivoroid" buttons that StewMac offers separately are not celluloid but what's often called galalith - casein or milk plastic. Press play to hear the reference sound of the corresponding strings you are tuning. I have been trying to decide between them and the grover vintage tuners. Are they better than schallers or Grover? Luthiers Mercantile International, Inc. 7975 Cameron Drive, Bldg. Simply sensational. The rumor was going around that Stew-Mac was going to come out with these, but last summer they were denying it.I needed tuners so bought another 6 sets of Schallers. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mandosmiley.gif. My concern is about the plates being pushed away from the back of the headstock by string tension which overpowers the threads. #I would have like a screw on buttons, but I have heard several threads with screws backing out and the need for loctite. Dec-20-2006, 1:24am. I have a little page about the guitar gears (http://www.lutherie.net/gotoh.guitar.gear.problems.html), perhaps we can kick up some dust and get some results. I really don't know who makes them. As to antiquing the tuner plates-Should I use ferric chloride? Repeat on the plates as necessary. I used the regular bushing-The Elite bushing would require a larger drilled hole which I didn't want to do on a vintage instrument-who knows, I made find a vintage set of arrow end tuners. I like the tuner buttons. Just ordered 6 nickel sets, so we'll see... and an 18:1 ratio, while we are wishing... Not for me. View Full Version : Elite tuners from stew mac. The tuning problems you are experiencing have nothing to do with the tuners per se, they are elsewhere in the setup or possibly basic lubing and adjustment of the gears themselves. Since 2009, we have proudly represented Rubner, providing value priced tuning machines for Classical Guitars as well as Slotted Head steel string guitars. Acme Whistles (2) Alacran (2) Alvarez (18) Apple Creek (3) Aria (1) Asher Guitars & Lap Steels (1) Bacon & Day (4) Beard Guitars (29) Breedlove (8) C.B. I would paint it on the plate only, let it work for maybe 15 seconds, rinse well with water, and see what it looks like. And if anyone knows, how do I yellow the buttons? Right? Borrowing from his blade designs, Kamen built innovative guitars with rounded composite plastic backs and Sitka spruce tops. 89. I would like to antique them-Hans what should I do for that? Is there any information about the tolerences in the gears? Healifty Guitar String Tuning Pegs 4L4R Tuner Machine Heads Knobs Tuning Keys for 8 Strings Acoustic Electric Guitar Mandolin Ukulele. I was wondering if anyone has used the elite tuners from stew-mac? I once could take a fresh set out of the box and twirl a button with one fingertip and the post would just turn, but since the new collared buttons came in, no more. Mandolin Tuning Pegs, 4L4R Machine Heads String Tuning Pegs for 8 Strings Mandolin Instruments Accessory 3.7 out of 5 stars 17. fall off is pretty unusual. _____ It is always a good idea to call me to verify what I have available, as it is virtually impossible to photograph every single machine I have here in the studio. The small 'U' shaped piece of metal that holds the shaft of the tuner to the base plate is unattached and dangles on the shaft, thus the shaft/button are skewed at a slight downward angel. $26.37 (13) L-Shoe Bracket. #And again the string shafts need turning to get the correct top-hat look at the string hole. Just call around the various electronics stores and ask who has PCB etching solution. Deluxe Clip On Digital Tuner for Quick, Easy and Accurate Instrument Tuning - works with Ukulele, Guitar, Bass, Violin, Mandolin, Banjo 4.5 out of 5 stars 286 £7.95 £ 7 . But the ones I have installed so far seem to work well enough after lubing and adjusting. I'll try to get some better shots tomorrow. #309FV Grover F "Vintage" Mandolin Tuners. Actually I talked to a saleperson and she went into another office to ask about the tuners. I talked to Stew-Mac and they're in the process of retooling to make them less stiff. I was able to secure my Ferric Chloride at a local electronics supply shop. Ordered a set to replace the retrofitted _ but not put on to work at their best_. Some how I was expecting something somewhere between the usual stuff we have and Waverlys. They feature. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif, Thank you Hans and Paul for your help. Elite A-style Mandolin Tuning Machines NEW! Save money on Used 4 String Electric Bass at Guitar Center. I just filed a set of Gots to take the Waverly MOP buttons, and it's no fun. I contacted them and they will do the exchange if I choose. Mandolin Tuners Leader Banjo Co 'F' Style Precision Geared Faux Pearl Buttons. $10.92 (10) Truss Rod Cover for Banjo or Mandolin. Hey Rich, greetings from Bakersfield. Only 1 left in stock - order soon. He thought the only other viable option would be teflon, but it is probably cost prohibitive based on the volume and application. Online Mandolin Tuner by ear. The mandolin’s neck is susceptible to bending, which can cause major problems in playability and tuning. Used by many manufacturers, Schaller mandolin tuners offer good looks and precision gearing. ; Tighten or loosen the corresponding G tuning peg, till you have a match. Only 2 left. And if anybody is interested in weight comparisons: They say that they're made by Schaller, and currently used by several manufacturers. #When I get mine mounted I will report on my thoughts. I asked my dad this question, he sells o-rings and seals in a variety of materials, and he said that nylon would be fine for this application. Can anyone confirm that these really are made by Gotoh? The GIBSON F4 mandolin sn elite tuners a classic GIBSON instrument with all the right characteristics see the pictures. Can anyone confirm that these really are made by Gotoh? John's mandolins are designed and manufactured by his own hand, including the inlays, bridge, tailpiece and hardware - everything except the tuners and the strings! 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