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</html>";s:4:"text";s:25660:"Yes, I know it was meant for a rifle. A friend had one and allowed me to shoot it once day at the range. It is like asking about the difference between a dolphin and a whale whithout consulting readily available information. When I bought it in 1980 a fellow in the store said it was mislabeled because it was NOT a Colt, it was Smith and Wesson. When all else fails, this is the correct term to which we fall back. Good hunting and have fun doing it . These newer guns were heavier and made of superior materials than the old Colt revolvers and their Italian clones. If you multiply the velocity times the bullet weight, and then divide by 7000 (number of grains in a lb, it’s the old Keith method) you get a better picture of actual power/killing levels compared to other rounds. 45 Cowboy Special Brass The Cowboy .45 Special is a case that is optimized for use with light loads in .45 Colt caliber revolvers for Cowboy Action Shooting. The perfect deer rifle ……. A .460 S&W will also chamber and shoot a .454 Casull and a .45 Colt. The .45 Schofield can be fired in a .45 Long Colt revolver, but the .45 Long Colt cannot be fired in a .45 Schofield revolver. .45 Colt? I’ve always used the nomenclature of .45 Colt because that’s what SAAMI uses, and they’re the closest thing we have to a real reference on the issue, and they’ve always used .45 Colt as their nomenclature for this cartridge. Find Bulk 45 colt ammunition fast and cheap with Americas best ammunition search engine. The “Long Colt” appellation caught on more because of that, I think, than the other .45 rounds extant at that time, but I wasn’t there, so I could well be wrong. Why was there a debate on this to begin with? About .520 vs about .512. I load all three. Is Ammoland on vacation. I have a big decision to make! } This revolver was based on Smith & Wessonâs Third Model top break revolver and as such offered an advantage by being faster to load and unload when compared to the Colt. *(wv|\.0\.0\.0)' Shooters have an obligation to know about the ammo they are shooting. H&R does make a single shot .440/.45 colt with a rifled barrel, but if the one you own doesn't list the .45 on the barrel, then don't shoot it. The round was simply not suitable for use in a lever action or slide action rifle. It’s basically a 45 ACP stretched to fill an AR magazine pushing the same jacketed bullet at over twice the velocity. You would be better off with a … These newer guns were heavier and made of superior materials than the old Colt revolvers and their Italian clones. In a modern handgun, the .45 Colt can also be very accurate. These frames are smaller and can’t handle the hot loads that the Blackhawks can.They did this to sell them to cowboy shooters who don’t shoot hot loads anyway and wanted a slimer Colt model. When I chambered the .45 Auto round it went into the cylinder a half inch deep! that is exactly why the 45 schofeld was created by smith & wesson. Cases of ordinance were simply marked âPistol, 45 caliberâ. I will probably be picking up some kind of .45 colt uberti or cimmaron in the next month. In modern firearms with tight chambers (ie, modern-tight, as opposed to loose black powder era chambers), you can get such a wide span of performance out of a .45 Colt, it is difficult to match in most modern rounds. 2000 X 275 div 7000 = KS(Killing Scale) of 79 for this 45 long Colt load from the Rossi 1892. .45 colt .45 acp Part and parcel of chambering a medium action length to a PPC cartridge, the 94 is ideal for 2.25 OAL cartridges,not so for 1.575 OAL length cartridges. Ha. Simply known as .45 colt ‘revolver’ ammo. 45colt is less common and pricier. You are right subgunfan. Look it up. Even standard velocity .45 Colt ammo gets enough of a boost in the 20″ barrel to take a deer at 100 yds. The year was 1873 and Colt’s latest handgun, the Model P (aka as the Single Action Army Revolver of 1873) was just awarded the contract as the official sidearm for the US Army. Thompson Centerâs and Rugerâs offerings for the 45 Colt breathed new life into the old round that had eluded the older Colt revolvers and even the Smith & Wesson N-Frame. if (document.getElementById("af-form-1780098037")) { Which is wore powerful a 45 caliber or a 44 caliber? Mike, I have two Old model Vaquero birdsheads. The damn thing jammed regularly. DA Army revolver. Might explain why when i drink alone now i prefer to be by myself. The moon clips are for holding the shorter .45 ACP cartridge into the longer .45 Colt chamber. If you have an older SAA, you’d probably want .454 molds or bullets. The reason for this is because .45 COLT is the official name used by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute (SAAMI). In an article about correct nomenclature, we probably shouldn’t be calling it an Old Vaquero, since there was never a model called “Old Vaquero”. NO! Thompson Center’s and Ruger’s offerings for the 45 Colt breathed new life into the old round that had eluded the older Colt revolvers and even the Smith & Wesson N-Frame. The reason for this is because .45 COLT is the official name used by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturersâ Institute (SAAMI). If you'd like to use very powerful loads in the Judge/Governor, use our items 3E, 3F, 3H, 3I and 3J. I asked a bunch of gunsmiths and the general consensus was that there was no fix and the rifle was a piece of crap. While its not as big of a mistake as calling a mag a clip, if you want to have fun go to single action forums and call it a .45 “long colt” and refer to the cylinder as a “wheel”. Even Colt used to call it “Long Colt” on their webpage. What is the availability like for .45 Colt these day? There was by this time a plethora of other handguns offered in this caliber from Ruger, Thompson Center and various Italian gun makers who replicated the SAA and later the Model 3. Apparently you have little firearms knowledge otherwise you would know that the “38 ACP” and the “38 Super” (same dimensions different pressure levels) have what you refer to as a “exposed rim.” And then there is the 32 ACP and 25ACP . Eventually the 45 Colt would form the basis for the 454 Casull and 460 Smith & Wesson rounds and of course the 45 Colt can be fired in these larger revolvers and single shot pistols. The base is dimensionally similar to the .410 Shotgun round and numerous Derringers, revolvers and single shot pistols have been made to accommodate both cartridge. The reason for this had to do with the case dimensions of the original 45 Colt and its almost nonexistent rim. Standard pressure .45 Colt loads should generate no more than an average of 14,000 CUP +P .45 Colt loads can be loaded to pressures as high as 25,000 CUP. I just figured that saying “.45 Colt” was just the abbreviated version. } If you have a single action sixgun then you need another cylinder. .45 Colt is the most versatile cartridge ever and if it’s a swing out cylinder revolver, the cylinder can be cut for moon clips and can shot .45 ACP. I’ve never had an issue with the skinnier .44 magnum nor have I heard of rounds getting under the lifter. Have the same weights in either bullet and I want to shoot this in my Tarus Judge 45 long colt. My Winchester Trapper is labeled 45 Colt. The guy grabbed a box of 45gap gold dots and was very confused when I said they weren’t the same. I’ve just recently started learning about this ammunition cause I bought a Bond Arms Snake Slayer IV. Ammo with a wide meplat will occasionally require a jiggle to get it to chamber but other than that it’s fine. Fun article though. Mike Searsonâs career as a shooter began as a Marine Rifleman at age 17. None of the old-time rifle makers ever chambered a rifle in 45 Colt until the late twentieth century for the sport of Cowboy Action Shooting. I never saw a problem with it. I think it is a super redhawk. Same here, went with a Uberti 1873 trapper in 357. I have seen brass at the range marked 45 LC, however, so the myth is perpetuated. The .45 Colt can be an excellent cartridge for sending paper banditos to Boot Hill (in cowboy action shooting) and neatly dispatching big game at sensible ranges. I noticed the guns made to chambered in 45 Colt were more readily available and less costly. You weren’t screwed as badly as an S&W armed trooper who had been issued Colt ammunition, because you could still use the Schofield ammo in your Colt by only loading 3 rounds, so there… Read more ». This apparently caused the rims to interfere with each other when you attempted to use .45 Schofield ammunition in a Colt SAA revolver. I’ve considered buying one in .45 Colt but the… Read more ». With modern pistol powders, it is entirely possible to nearly triple-charge a .45 Colt round – which will result in the shooter pulling the trigger on a hand grenade, not a handgun. document.getElementById("af-footer-1780098037").className = "af-footer af-quirksMode"; } No because of the larger rim BUT, you can build or buy an AR in 450 Bushmaster. Please I really need to know and would appreciate an honest answer. Mike has written over 2000 articles for a number of magazines, websites, and newsletters including Blade, RECOIL, OFF-GRID, Tactical Officer, SWAT, Tactical World, Gun Digest, Examiner.com and the US Concealed Carry Association as well as AmmoLand Shooting Sports News. I am asking because I saw the moths cry when he bought 3 boxes on ammo for it. 'Android. I went with a Uberti Cattleman – a very pretty pistol – in .38/.357 and a Rossi 92 with the John Wayne lever in the same caliber. This is a point that seems to escape some proponents of very high pressure .45 Colt loads, who argue that if the .44 Mag. '(iPhone|iPod|iPad)(?!. I have a S&W model 25 labeled 45 Long Colt on the barrel. Unfortunately, the revolver used a shorter proprietary cartridge that soon created a problem of logistics. document.getElementById("af-form-1780098037").className = 'af-form af-quirksMode'; A few ammunition manufacturers and load developers began offering the round or the recipe to cook up a hotter load as “For Thompson center and Ruger Only” as a warning for Colt and S&W shooters to not load them in their firearms. The .45 ACP has no exposed rim, which as it is with all automatic/semi-automatic clip fed rounds. })(); Much stronger toggle designs than the originals, smooth action, and lots of aftermarket support for better sights, short stroke kits, etc. It makes it much easier to extract that brass reliably than a case with no taper like the .45 Colt. He was merely trying to explain why the .45 ACP cartridge cannot be shot in a .45 LC gun since the ACP cartridge is so much shorter than the .45 LC round. These guns are built on a smaller flame for competition use because the main complaint about the original Vaquero was its excessive weight compared to the original SAA and its foreign-made clones. It isn’t as common as 9×19 or .45 ACP ammo, but it is plenty available. I can dream. The Frankford Arsenal ended up dropping the longer round from production in 1887 and solely manufactured the 45 S&W round as the “ . From where I stand, the “long” in the name hopefully gives the customer enough of a pause to wonder if this is the right stuff for their Hi-Point. Shortly after this, the rim diameter of the commercial .45 Colt ammo was standardized at .512 inch, the largest size that would work in the Colt Single Action Army. It was named the 45 Colt and all was right with the world. It was a hard hitter on both ends akin to shooting 44mag loads. This is relevant to me. Modern cases use a slightly larger rim, so the issue has been addressed and made logistics for Cowboy Action Shooting much easier on the participants of the sport. Most military ammo has a feature that the civilian version doesn’t, namely crimped in primers. “(aka as the Single Action Army Revolver of 1873)”. The Colt shooters could easily use the shorter Smith & Wesson cartridge, so the quartermasters began referring to the Colt round as â45 Long Coltâ. The Frankford Arsenal ended up dropping the longer round from production in 1887 and solely manufactured the 45 S&W round as the â.45 caliber M1887 Military Ball Cartridgeâuntil 1892 when it was replaced by the 38 Long Colt round in a new double action revolver. Thanks, fellas! He’s right. These shoot either .45ACP using the half moon clips and .45 Autorim . You take ammunition back? Or do they…….. .45 Colt is the round that’s stood the test of time. As with any revolver, you are now going on a 'hunt' for an accurate load whether .454 or .45 Colt. Even though a magazine and a clip both hold ammunition, a magazine has an internal spring that feeds ammunition. He has worked in the firearms industry his entire adult life as a Gunsmith, Ballistician, Consultant, Salesman, Author and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1989. I say 45 colt here and when talking to any cowboys. They sure do look purty. Colt. @*/false; ESPECIAL LA CARTUCHERÃA PARA ALIMENTAR A ESAS ARMAS.EL GRADO DE TECNOLOGÃA E INVESTIGA Do not try such loads in the Ruger âNew Modelâ Vaquero (earlier model shown above). Only regular .45.” I shook my head and walked out. Certainly shorter action models are smoother with pistol calibers but the 94 is nowhere near “crap”. :’). if (!IE) { return; } I tested this a bunch of years ago. Incredible power. Not surprised at the .45 Colt’s long range ability. 'Twitter for iPhone', I have thought about trading it in every now and then but still have the damn thing. While many claim that .45 Auto load data can be used in this caliber, it is important to realize the limitations of the… Read more ». I size my boolits .451 and have never had a problem with them. Cases of ordinance were simply marked “Pistol, 45 caliber”. Probably the best source for information about what ammo can be fired in what gun is to look at the warnings on the ammunition boxes from ammunition manufactures. I like how the picture caption says “Old Vaquero”. When I think of 45 caliber handgun ammo, I think of 45 ACP or 45 Colt. I was also looking at those Ubertis. If you have a double action revolver like a Redhawk in 45 colt you can get the cylinder milled to accept moon clips for 45 acp and it will shoot both. I always say 45 long colt at gun stores though. Absolutely getting 357/38special for availability and cost. actually … from what i understand … the reason the .45 colt was not chambered in any other firearms … not just rifles … is because it was a proprietary cartridge for the military only. Mike Searsonâs career as a shooter began as a Marine Rifleman at age 17. no, you can shoot, 410's out of something designed to handle the 45lc, but unless your shotty is rated to take it, I would not shoot45lc out of a straight to order 410. rangerruck , Mar 26, 2007 #8 He first loaded a .45 Colt and it was a very mild experience. No. A buddy of mine gave me some the cartridges, but I don’t have a gun in .45 Auto Rim. OMG…another self proclaimed “firearms expert” who does not know that a clip and a magazine are two different things. Mike has written over 2000 articles for a number of magazines, websites and newsletters including Blade, RECOIL, OFF-GRID, Tactical Officer, SWAT, Tactical World, Gun Digest, Examiner.com and the US Concealed Carry Association as well as AmmoLand Shooting Sports News. Home page: www.mikesearson.com FB: www.facebook.com/mike.searson TWITTER: www.twitter.com/mikesearson, Subscribe for FREE now to ensure you never missa single vital update…, // Special handling for in-app browsers that don't always support new windows Hunted with a S&W 25-5, when I was going through a ‘handgun hunting phase.’ Though not the Colt SA w/ 7 1/2 but a S&W DA 25-5 in w/ 8 3/8, using off the rack .45 Colt semi-jacketed hollow point loads, put venison in the freezer and on my table plenty of times. Let’s set the record straight once and for all, the 45 Colt & 45 Long Colt are the same exact round of ammunition. Least 500 rounds of Cowboy action Shooting in the next month Colt as well, but almost never when. 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