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</html>";s:4:"text";s:22813:"The ketch can sail on all points of wind with the main down (or the mizzen or jib). Secondly, it's much cheaper to maintain 1 mast (with all the rigging) and two sails, than 2 masts, 3 (or more) sails, etc. On the ketch, rigging the mizzen and jib would balance and sail nicely in a breeze, the sail handling on my sloop allows easier changes of sail area so I am able to start with more sail, and reduce when nec. A ketch, therefore, uses three primary sails: the mainsail and headsail, as on a sloop, plus the mizzen sail aft. A ketch has two masts: a traditional mainmast, just like a sloop, and a second mast at the rear of the boat, called a mizzen mast. Re: Ketch vs sloop With the exception of sailing purely upwind, or deep downwind angles, the masts on a ketch can be set surprisingly close together, & yield quite good performance. <a href="https://www.sailnet.com/threads/ketch-vs-sloop.40891/">Ketch vs Sloop? | SailNet Community</a> The mizzensail balances the jib. <a href="https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/why-a-yawl-or-ketch-instead-of-a-sloop.27141/page-12">Why a Yawl or Ketch instead of a sloop | Page 12 - Boat Design</a> By Cruising World Staff. . Working my way backwards: Good boat vs bad boat: In the postings here, the problem with the throwaway French 40' sloops is that they are bad boats, not that they are sloops. The three sails do not necessarily mean that the sail area on a ketch is larger than on a sloop of the same size, however. Off-wind, however, the ketch has numerous advantages with its capability of carrying genoa, mainsail, mizzen staysail and mizzen for . <a href="https://www.cravencountryjamboree.com/helpful-tips/what-is-the-difference-between-a-sloop-a-ketch-and-a-schooner/">What is the difference between a sloop a ketch and a ...</a> A ketch or yawl has a main mast and a mizzen mast but on a two masted schooner or square rigger such as a brig or brigantine the masts are called the fore mast and main mast. First off, as previously written, it's easier to learn to trim two sails than three. ended up getting attached to a center cockpit ketch (westerly corsair 36') after getting to know it better. 3. I'm trying to understand how to measure the SA/D of a . <a href="https://www.jordanyachts.com/3745">Sailboat Rig Types: Sloop, Cutter, Ketch, Yawl, Schooner ...</a> Cap'n Fatty discusses the advantages of different types of boats. The ketch rig is a fabulous rig for offshore cruisers that prefer comfort, ease of use, and balanced sailing experience. Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 1 Likes: 0, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 10 Location: santa barbara dannyjoek New Member. A typical cruising ketch can use a wide variety of headsails, including a spinnaker. <a href="https://uk.boats.com/boat-buyers-guide/five-top-ketches-yawls/">Five best ketches and yawls - boats.com</a> Sail areas are same: 470 sf. What is the difference between Albeit and Although? <a href="https://www.sailnet.com/threads/ketch-vs-sloop.40891/page-3">Ketch vs Sloop? | Page 3 | SailNet Community</a> Modern sloop /cutter rigs with the modern sail handling equipment I believe dispel all the possible perceived advantages of a ketch except for one. <a href="https://www.jordanyachts.com/3745">Sailboat Rig Types: Sloop, Cutter, Ketch, Yawl, Schooner ...</a> More Balanced Sailing. The 'plastic' tubs in the Caribbean, and elsewhere, are successful boats too. In context|nautical|lang=en terms the difference between sloop and cutter is that sloop is (nautical) a single-masted sailboat with only one headsail while cutter is (nautical) a ship's boat, used for transport ship-to-ship or ship-to-shore. The sail is quite square and to hoist it the top gaff must be hoisted up the mast, raising the sail under it. Shallow draft and higher center of gravity in light air makes for uncomfortable motion. <a href="https://www.cruisingworld.com/capn-fatty-goodlander-sloop-vs-ketch/">Cap'n Fatty Goodlander: Sloop vs Ketch | Cruising World</a> You may have noticed that B&B Yacht Designs has several models that are cat-ketch rigged. On three masted square riggers and schooners the mizzen is the after-most mast. Shallow draft and higher center of gravity in light air makes for uncomfortable motion. In contrast and much like with the sloop vs. cutter definition, the yawl mizzen's has much smaller sail plan. The jigger on the 2nd mast is a control sail, not normally used for upwind . 2. Re: Ketch vs sloop With the exception of sailing purely upwind, or deep downwind angles, the masts on a ketch can be set surprisingly close together, & yield quite good performance. Because the mast is in the same position as a sloop, the ketch is easy to rig with additional forward sails. As has been done by quite a few ketches in the Transpac over the years. The ketch rig is very similar to the yawl, which also has a tall mainmast and an additional mizzenmast and mizzen aft. The most important difference between a ketch and a yawl are the position and height of the mizzenmast. A cutter is a sloop with 2 foresails(jib, staysail) and a mainsail. Shallow long keel offers less area for cross seas to plummet. i.e. ketch rig On this year's Bermuda race, there was a Mason43 sloop and a Mason43 ketch. Answer (1 of 8): As many others mentioned a cat rigged sailboat is very simple to handle. For most of the 20th century a ketch rig was a mark of a serious large sailing yacht (see our full article on sailing boats and their rigs) and the envy of many owners of smaller sloop rigged vessels.A key attraction was that splitting the sail plan into smaller units made a lot of sense on boats over 35ft in the days before modern efficient and sophisticated sail handling systems It's easy . June 10, 2015. I am looking at two 32 footers: Fuji 32 ketch and Aries 32 sloop. Most recreational sailboats use a sloop rig. Ketch vs Sloop vs Cutter. A sloop rig has 1 mast, with a jib and mainsail. Share on facebook. A ketch has 2 masts. sloop Hello, For a first boat, a sloop, especially a Catalina 30, is a much better choice than a ketch. For it to be a ketch, the mizzen is mounted forward of the rudder-post. ketch vs sloop when shopping for my first sailboat i was set on a aft cockpit sloop or cutter as i was familiar with that configuration. The ketch can sail on all points of wind with the main down (or the mizzen or jib). Is a ketch faster than a sloop? A Ketch rig seems to offer similar advantages. A Ketch rig seems to offer similar advantages. A ketch, therefore, uses three primary sails: the mainsail and headsail, as on a sloop, plus the mizzen sail aft. I won't talk much about schooner, yawl, junk, gaff or catboat rigs; while they have their own loyal . Ketch Vs Yawl. i now have a 37' jeanneau voyage aft cockpit sloop. Going from a racing sloop to a cruising slug (ketch) made be a much better sailor, more attuned to perfect sail trim, getting the slots right, proper draft ect. Wind is generally stronger and . LWL are 24'9" vs 26'. The sail-plan of a ketch is similar to that of a yawl, on which the mizzen mast is smaller and set further back. In this video, we rapidly discuss ra. The three sails do not necessarily mean that the sail area on a ketch is larger than on a sloop of the same size, however. LOA are similar: 31'6" vs 31'10". There are some other unique characteristics of it as well. They look pretty on an old fashioned boat. or vice versa more easily than I ever could with the ketch. ketch- schooner- sloop, advantages vs disadvantages. The mizzensail balances the jib. Find ketch sailboats for sale in 93562 by dealer, including boat prices, photos, and more. The ketch's main mast is usually stepped in the same position as in a sloop.. A ketch is a two-masted sailboat whose mainmast is taller than the mizzen mast (or aft-mast), generally in a 40-foot or bigger boat. The mizzensail has a major upside you just won't get with the Bermuda sloop rig. Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by dannyjoek, Sep 4, 2012. A ketch has 2 masts. In this video, we rapidly discuss ra. The yawl is similar to the ketch rig and has the same trade-offs with respect to upwind and downwind performance. Because the mast is so far forward it is very often unstayed. While a ketch rig doesn't perform as well going to windward as a sloop, it is perfectly adequate off the wind, which is the primary type of sailing one does on a westabout circumnavigation. She features two masts just like on a ketch with the mizzen having less air draft and being further aft. More Balanced Sailing. Dspl: 13,115 lb vs 15,000 lb . Off-wind, however, the ketch has numerous advantages with its capability of carrying genoa, mainsail, mizzen staysail and mizzen for . Regarding the rig, I prefer a sloop rig due to its upwind capabilities, but would have considered a ketch, if I had found the right boat. In contrast and much like with the sloop vs. cutter definition, the yawl mizzen's has much smaller sail plan. Cap'n Fatty discusses the advantages of different types of boats. May 27, 2017. Later the sloop version was introduced and in the end almost only sloops rig 42E were built. This means that it can't support a very tall mast. You have a spare sail, which will come in handy. I was port watch captain on the ketch, and called most sail changes on both watches. A ketch may also use a spinnaker. Modern sloop /cutter rigs with the modern sail handling equipment I believe dispel all the possible perceived advantages of a ketch except for one. Good day- rookie to sailing yet old to boating can some veterens discuss pros & cons of these rig choices? The ketch rig is a fabulous rig for offshore cruisers that prefer comfort, ease of use, and balanced sailing experience. 7. SAILS. . A yawl, like a ketch has two masts with the aftmost (the mizzen) shorter than the main, but in the case of a yawl, the helming position is forward of the mizzen mast. The sloop rig can be sailed shorthanded and is able to sail very close to the wind, making it very popular. The argument for having somewher to hang all your antennae is easilly solved by having either post, an arch or hang stuff on the main mast. Ballast: 4635 lb vs 5000 lb. It has a foresail,main and missin. First, there is the question of split rig vs sloop. Sloop vs Ketch vs Yawl Sloop vs Ketch vs Yawl. The argument for having somewher to hang all your antennae is easilly solved by having either post, an arch or hang stuff on the main mast. As nouns the difference between sloop and cutter is that sloop is (nautical) a single-masted sailboat with only one headsail while cutter is a person or . Asked this in another thread, but since it's related to Sloop vs. Cutter vs. Ketch this might be a good place to go as well.. For a cutter rig, does the staysail add effectively working sail area upwind? The original thread, "Ketch VS Sloop" managed to wick into a bigger puddle, that may be called "100's Of Sailboats, Which One For Me?" I see three things influencing the selection of a sailboat: (2 have been touched upon in detail) 1:Engineering and the suitability for our needs 2:Romance, or the AAAWWWWW factor The yawl is a much . Dspl: 13,115 lb vs 15,000 lb . Cap'n Fatty Goodlander: Sloop vs Ketch. Drafts: 3'8" vs 5'. The appeal of the junk rig is the ease with which it can be set and reefed, operating on the same principle as horizontal-slatted window shades. They look pretty on an old fashioned boat. Cap'n Fatty discusses the advantages of different types of boats. These are two-masted vessels that include a mizzenmast and a larger main mast, with a sloop-like jib. Beams: 9'10" vs 9'6". The most important difference between a ketch and a yawl are the position and height of the mizzenmast. Share on facebook. / David. June 10, 2015. To continue my thoughts on what's important in a cruising boat, I'll talk about rig options - sloop vs. cutter vs. ketch - all of which we've had at least a little experience with. You have a spare sail, which will come in handy. Sail areas are same: 470 sf. Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by dannyjoek, Sep 4, 2012. Upwind, a sloop is normally the rig of choice; the smaller mainsail on a ketch of an equivalent size can spill turbulent, dirty air on the mizzen, making the sail inefficient and consequently stalling boat speed. ketch- schooner- sloop, advantages vs disadvantages. I am looking at two 32 footers: Fuji 32 ketch and Aries 32 sloop. Finally, there is the question of good boat vs bad boat. LWL are 24'9" vs 26'. For example the Core Sound 15 pictured below sailing at our annual messabout.Perhaps you are not familiar with this rig, and think that it looks "old-timey."And, perhaps you think that this rig is not as "efficient" as a "modern" sloop rig.First let us dispel some common myths about the cat . Ballast: 4635 lb vs 5000 lb. Cutter Rigged Sloop Boat For Sale - Page 78 - Waa2 For some perspective, that is 31-feet longer than the 114-foot trimaran winner of the 33rd America's cup by BMW Oracle. What is the difference between a ketch and a yawl? Cap'n Fatty Goodlander: Sloop vs Ketch. In St.George I talked to the skipper of the sloop and found that he had carried a double reef in the same weather we had a single reef with no mizzen. The mizzensail has a major upside you just won't get with the Bermuda sloop rig. Learn how to use each word properly on Dictionary.com. If it's mounted behind, it's called a yawl. Shallow long keel offers less area for cross seas to plummet. we were together 4 years before hurricane ivan seperated us. if you take the staysail out, is the drive of the sails going to be affected? Drafts: 3'8" vs 5'. A ketch is a specific type of sailing rig characterized by the arrangement and size of the masts and sails. As a verb ketch is or ketch can be (rare) to hang. Going from a racing sloop to a cruising slug (ketch) made be a much better sailor, more attuned to perfect sail trim, getting the slots right, proper draft ect. By Cruising World Staff. LOA are similar: 31'6" vs 31'10". 2. The mizzenmast in ketches takes up space in the stern. A ketch may also use a spinnaker. Locate boat dealers and find your boat at Boat Trader! Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 1 Likes: 0, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 10 Location: santa barbara dannyjoek New Member. Upwind, a sloop is normally the rig of choice; the smaller mainsail on a ketch of an equivalent size can spill turbulent, dirty air on the mizzen, making the sail inefficient and consequently stalling boat speed. What is the difference between a ketch and a yawl? The name ketch is derived from catch. Hull designs are quite. Hull designs are quite. This subject is very difficult, and very interesting for all that, but there are really no 'right' answers, except for the ultimate boat owner/user, to whom the utility or usability is paramount. Ketch rigs generally do not sail as . Good day- rookie to sailing yet old to boating can some veterens discuss pros & cons of these rig choices? The yawl is similar to the ketch rig and has the same trade-offs with respect to upwind and downwind performance. The main sails used on a ketch are the headsail, the mainsail and the mizzen sail, so . Of course my sloop is 20 years newer than the ketch and sails better on almost . 7. A yawl has 2 masts, one behind the rudder post. Sloop vs. Cutter I understand as an advantage of more but smaller sails, therefore easier handling and more variation according to conditions. She features two masts just like on a ketch with the mizzen having less air draft and being further aft. 3. Ketches are typically over 40 feet in length, simply due to a need for significant power in a manageable size. It could have a staysail, if it is a cutter ketch. Is this the same reasoning for a Yawl, or is there some other benefit such as balancing the helm, better downwind performance, etc. both boats have been a pleasure to . Beams: 9'10" vs 9'6". Most recreational sailboats use a sloop rig. 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