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But the rules tend to hold the force of law. Was this firearm built with the intention of using it as a pistol or as a rifle? You’re supposed to be free. While we are at it the hearing protection act is a good idea but the better one would would to dump the NFA and GCA and all the rest of that garbage. The rub was that all of us succumbed to the inevitable temptation to fire brace-equipped pistols from the shoulder. I’ve said this before, and will repeat myself once again.The ATF and Dept.of Justice, where it currently hangs it’s hat, are both a load of bureaucratic crap respecting anything having to do with firearms The fact that the bureaucratic rubbish, decrees of faceless paper pushers have and retain the force of law is nothing other than a giant zitz on the face or behind of The Congress. Jeremy strives to collect objective data whenever possible, and looks to write accurate reviews that reflect the true user experience. However, All we have to go on is a single post. For the rest of the brace users, it’s a crapshoot. Members of congress don’t write the laws. Why? A heavier optic? I can only speak from my experience and the agents I dealt with were great. Or, better said, partial pistol brace ban. Just look at the NFA database. Wouldn’t doing away with SBR permission slips be COMMON SENSE based on….SCIENCE? Slingshot a few small rocks up into the murder (of crows/ravens, donchaknow), and they skedaddle. I’m no stake holder in either of those, nor an affiliate, etc. And give money. We’ll update this article with a link to the specific page at www.regulations.gov as soon as it’s available. They were SBRs, short and sweet. Because it had a primary design function that wasn’t to shoulder? This is likely invisible to them now, because times are relatively good, but they’re in for a nasty surprise when times turn bad and they try and lean on a populace that doesn’t believe in them. If you’re concerned, red red dots, not magnified optics. But here’s a quandary – LoP for a 4’11” person might net a brace too short for a 6’4″ person to effectively use as a brace. Magnum Research makes their BFR (Big Framed Pistol) in both .45-70, a 100+ year old rifle round, and the new .350 Legend. Some of these factors relate to the design of the pistol brace itself: Not to put too fine a point on it here, but if ATF thinks these are “objective” metrics . So that the firearm industry and the public understand exactly what is and is not kosher when it comes to a pistol brace. They ain’t on leashes, my friend – but they sure as hell want us to be. Cartridge-wise only the first is a pistol. You’re telling me that ATF’s fancy new “Objective Factors” document is comprised almost entirely of “we’ll know it when we see it” sort of generalizations? I don’t own one of these, but I’ll go to bat for those who do. With the leak of a new letter showing that ATF is opening up a public comment period ahead of finalizing their “Objective Factors for Classifying Weapons with Stabilizing Braces ” document, there is renewed fear of an impending pistol brace ban. ,don’t make no sense to me.,,, I’ve got a long barreled ruger SBH,just thought , if I add a bumpbracestock then use a rubber band that cocks the hammer back when the bumpbracestock bumps is it a fully semiautomatic revolver machingunm? Er, it probably depends on income or lack of, your past (extensive) criminal history, zip code, whether you live in an urban area that strongly votes Democrat…. Many in the shooting and hunting space have already sounded the alarm over the pending ATF pistol brace rule change. This is why we need OBJECTIVE, WELL-WRITTEN CRITERIA to define what a stock is and isn’t to them. A group of 16 Republicans in the U.S. Senate last week fired off a letter to federal regulators seeking answers on … Perhaps others as well. If they decide not to look at it that way, what’s to stop them from deciding buffer tubes are stocks? Check out our great collection of pistol braces, pistol tubes, pistol stabilizers, and side folding braces for AR pistols. When it comes to things that could make you a felon, subjective criteria really shouldn’t be the deciding factor. Now, the ATF cannot make law, they can only make rules. Slingshots and BB guns are deadly weapons. This was further borne out by the fact that pistol manufacturers submitted complete pistols for ATF designation and ATF agreed they were pistols “despite” the fact that they had pistol brace models attached that ATF had never before seen. That joke is on us. I was there from 1976 to 2017 and it is still in existence. Let’s start several decades ago. So one can only conclude that BATF seeks to, via lack of clear criteria and standards, browbeat everyone into the registration. .././…/…./…./.|_……_| .\….\….\…\.\.. If ATF thinks these are SBRs, then the millions and millions of them that have been in private hands over the last decade are absolute, irrefutable PROOF that SBRs present no unique danger of criminal misuse. Add to Wish List Add to Compare. Or, better said, partial pistol brace ban. For instance, there are how many millions of law abiding citizens who are gun owners? That’s why there paying people off like Biden and Swalwell so they can slowly get what they want. Beware of scammers and upstarts who see an opportunity to line their own pocket books now, but if either of these two organizations have a shot at making headway, I’ll support them and I hope you will, too. 2A, no infringement! ATF must have gotten to TTAG as well. If you want to be comply then you’d make sure to use a long eye relief optic and whatever other stuff they’re attempting to push on us. Senators to ATF: Explain Pistol Brace Issue Link copied to clipboard. However, in my opinion, that doesn’t add up either. ~Dave Here is the list of Bills in Olympia that I got from Central Whidbey Sportsmen's News Letter Again, the legislature is planning to turn many law-abiding gun owners into criminals. Call your representatives. They approved those guns because the braces followed the recipe of previously-approved braces. In 2012, Alex Bosco of SB Tactical observed a disabled combat veteran struggling to manage a gun safely one-handed and crafted the first Pistol Stabilizing Brace in his garage. I suppose technically firing a pistol with two hands could be considered an illegal act. I may have to get a couple stripped lowers and register them as SBR’s for free. They informed brace manufacturers who already had braces approved that, as long as the functional aspects of the brace weren’t changed, there was no reason to submit further variants for individual approval. $75.05. Guidance documents are not binding and do not have the force of law. When SB Tactical wanted to make a functional change — length adjustment — they submitted that and were approved. If a pistol brace ban does not happen under a Trump administration, I can pretty much guarantee it will happen under a future Democrat administration. If you're interested in what else the The Captain's Journal has to say, you might try thumbing through the archives and visiting the main index, or; … Where are all the BLM protesters now? ATF recently published a notice in the Federal Register that has the gun world up in arms – and it’s being reported as a ban on pistol braces. Besides, gun ownership is greatly under-reported among Leftist scum. It is far better to not pass laws that either won’t be followed or won’t be enforced because this delegitimizes those institutions responsible for setting the rules. I want to be clear, there are no reports or suggestions that a pistol brace ban is coming but lets examine what could happen if they are deemed to be “illegal” without any due process like the bump stock was. So this is actually a power ATF has. Furthermore, our benevolent overlords are so graciously granting us clemency until such time as they aren’t. This is the pistol brace that started it all. ATF pistol brace ban 2020? The past 2+ years have demonstrated actively not complying gets you whatever you want plus protected hero status. We all know this yet we will not admit it. The less it can have any reasonable expectation of keeping up with these shifts in ATF’s interpretations and their objectively subjective rules. Just because you claim something is clear (aka, unambiguous), doesn’t make it true. To be double clear FUCK THE SPIRIT AND LETTER OF THE “LAW”. ATF and DOJ needs a rewrite/abolish. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Posted on December 21, 2020 December 21, 2020. A manufacturer brought a concept to ATF and ATF approved it under a skillful read of the NFA…but with the proviso that this was not an across the board approval, but rather to be a review of each item submitted to ensure it follows the concepts laid forth. Like anyone is using a pistol brace as a brace and not a buttstock, quit deluding yourselves, just go get a tax stamp.. Maybe, if folks weren’t constantly posting videos and pics running through a d-60 mag with the brace shouldered the whole time no one would give a crap about braces actually being misused as shoulder stocks and leave it alone. Pistol with Arm Brace – It’s not Just About AR Pistols Anymore. 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