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</html>";s:4:"text";s:33292:"I've seen this one a few times here before. Your Reports Help Protect the Agnostic CommunityReport Content, I think this violates the community guidelines. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. They are reliant on the objective outcomes of the act. Buber wrote these tales based on the lore of the Baal Shem Tov.Many of the stories are parables passed down via both the written and spoken word. I can accept that students start with good, honorable intentions but at some point they have to give up their sincerity or honesty or at the very least their forthrightness to finish. Honestly, I think what you're getting at is one of the underlying arguments in a large amount of debate between atheists and religious people. I'm proud to be a part of a people that accepts atheists such as myself. Fuck that, do it all the time and tell your god that when he starts taking care of his own damn creations you'll worship it again. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach a lesson. … I really love it. Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. hang them up) is, if your god created everything, isn't it wrong for you to The Chassidic classic HaYom Yom in a new English translation. Part 2 Three more topics about Atheism: 3. The storms, droughts, earthquakes, tornadoes, volcanoes that kill millions of people. you only read nonfiction? Love the story and it's often one of the first things I argue human morality and it's development throughout human history and pre history. impersonation or misrepresentation, fraud or phishing, etc. fairy tales are useless? He does not believe that god commanded him to perform this act. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. Why Did God Create Atheists? For reference, here is the original story as told in Martin Buber’s Tales of the Hasidim: "There is no quality and there is no power of man that was created to no purpose. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. But to what end can the denial of God have been created? I'd like to blame God for the Republicans, in fact that is the only reason I can think of, so I may have to rethink this agnosticsm/atheism thing. =0}. And even base and corrupt qualities can be uplifted to serve God. Unfortunately, in the world of fundamentalism that idea has been completely forgotten. Then I read further (and take this only as literally as necessary): The Kotzker had a ‘cantor’ called Reb Hirsh.One day he had a little fire in his house (actually it burned down). The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. The Master [teacher] teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. When, for example, haughty self-assurance is uplifted it changes into high assurance in the ways of God. We are thinking beings on a rock in space and share the same fragility as everything else here. the message of the story to which we are all responding is a good one. Why did God create them?” … It seems a really base need for such an advanced being. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. they probably rationalize that even god can have a bad day. As an atheist I respect and thank you all. Why did God Create Atheists? For if someone comes to you and asks your help, you shall not turn him off with pious words, saying: 'Have faith and take your troubles to God!' gotta keep the believers scared shitless of retribution. One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? Op meant the nice ones. Teach them to be respectful or ignore them. You shall act as if there were no God, as if there were only one person in all the world who could help this man - only yourself.". I think it’s one of the most beautiful things about our people. factual and true are NOT the same. I wonder how many believers would then think this through to its logical conclusion, which would be to see that they did not need to invoke god to do the right thing by their fellow humans, but in fact were better able to help than any prayer could......so by extension, that belief in god is completely superfluous! A question I have posed to many christians (and one that always seems to There is no god so there is no creation of anything. It’s good to know that there are some Jews that don’t see a conflict. @genessa sorry the facts are what makes a story true other wise it is just a story made up! It covers anyone who doesn’t believe in a supernatural god or gods. The Chassidic insights of the book is a bridge that will connect the reader's daily tasks with spirituality. One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? … 4) … "Why Did God Create Atheists? a story doesn't have to be factual to be true. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. Why did God create them?” The Rabbi completely misses the point here. That being consequentialism versus deontology. In a day's time I generally try to commit at least one random act of kindness. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. I had no education beyond Jewish Talmudic studies. A point also often made by Christopher Hitchens, but with a somewhat different lesson intended. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. @RavenCT God has severe and fragile ego issues. This daily companion taps into Chassidic wisdom to help tackle life's tasks in a meaningful way. They were call atheist. You see, when an atheist performs an act of charity, visits someone who is sick, helps someone in need, and cares for the world, he is not doing so because of some religious teaching. Sort of why did god create the GOP. Eventually the underlying premise becomes unsustainable. Can you actually imagine a god that requires worship being worth anything at all? God did not create atheist, Man create GOD to control man and thinking and some did not go along with it and they were killed. The religious context makes some people think they are special creations and this anthropocentric view distorts our lived experience. Chassidic teaching takes the deepest secrets of Torah —concepts and narratives that, through the ages, were revealed to only a select few sages in every generation—and makes them accessible and comprehensible to every individual, and applicable in every individual’s life. You can include a link to this post in your posts and comments by including the text. It should transcend any idea of reward or punishment and be done simply for the sake that it is genuine. +1 for quoting Buber's version, the differences are very significant. One cleaver student asks: 'What lesson can we learn from atheists? This is also often why these people find themselves talking past each other. One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? (what will i do there?) But this is literally one main reason why atheists have trouble with the idea of gods. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. We have always had a need to create god's as well as morality tales, Because someone has to think reasonably for the majority of bone heads in the world. Even if not fair. Very good. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. if it's written well it has truth in it even if the facts are out of this world! The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. reply | flag * message 34: by Paul (last edited May 12, 2016 12:54PM) (new) May 12, 2016 12:53PM. disrespect ANY of your god's creations? Just something I wanted to share that came up in another subreddit but is relevant here as well: There is a famous story told in Hasidic literature that addresses this very question. i take meaning in each of them and i don't have to believe there is a god, a devil or a st. peter (or a heaven, which is in that story too) to appreciate their messages. As a Jew I’ve seen many of my fellow people be assholes too. And look at the kindness he can bestow upon others simply because he feels it to be right.”. but one of my favorite stories has the ba'al shem tov in it (he existed, and was considered by some to be the messiah, but of course never said he was the messiah -- he founded chassidism, which has in many ways become the opposite of what the besht, as he is abbreviated, intended -- at any rate it's about the difference between speaking and listening), one of my favorite jokes has st. peter in it (and i was never even christian! There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. I won't disassociate myself from someone over that sort of idea. To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Stories like this are why I respect Judaism. Just to piss"them" off. God I hate this. @RichCC i believe in looking closely lol. Bad analogy. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. btw, sf is a good example of the usefulness of things that are true without being factual. I'm sorry but that level is past my limit. An atheist surrounded by Orthodox Hasidic Jews. And look at the kindness he can bestow upon others simply because he feels it to be right.”. Since they're axiomatic, there's no really ability to argue one over the other. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. I can’t escape culture... What about atheists that are also assholes? By the story then... to do the right, moral thing you have to dissociate yourself from God. In fact, he does not believe in God at all, so his acts are based on an inner sense of morality. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Cewley: Most atheists I know are more Christian than so-called Christians. But at that point I will have lost a lot of respect for them. "For the moment". … 2 (1991)". My rabbi taught this one to me! As an atheist (better described as agnostic) this story does promote the message the Rabbi thinks it does. At that point my bs detector goes off the scale and I reach the limit of my ability to suspend disbelief. @genessa. I think this is illegal. Can’t go wrong there! It doesn't require a god or memorizing biblical fables. Why Did God Create Atheists? Acts of positiveness are not reliant on religion! We were taught that it is "...the highest level of love known to humanity: a selfless love that is passionately committed to the well-being of others." On Sunday, January 31, Rabbi Dr. Abraham J. Twerski – a preeminent American chasidic psychiatrist who popularized addiction treatment in the Orthodox community – passed away in … (Lets go to the temple, it’s been a while since you have been to one) Me: Kya karunga mandir jaake? This is a great lesson lost on too many people. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A place for all Jews and all things Jew~ish, Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. You see, when an atheist performs and act of charity, visits someone who is sick, helps someone in need, and cares for the world, he is not doing so because of some religious teaching. I get were do i get my morals from being atheist I tell them don't need to rewarded or threatened to know what is right. I hated all of it, so I left and entered a world full of uncertainty and a broad spectrum of ideas about right and wrong. if there is a god why did it make so much fucked shit like poison plants and animals. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. Very strange for an Omnipotent, Omniscient, perfect being. One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists… The story assumes that a theological belief is more valid if it makes humans behave better. novels are of no use to you? Welcome to Atheist Discussion, a new community created by former members of The Thinking Atheist forum. I also believe that God lets the cookie crumble as it may. Natural forces will play out regardless of our perceived ‘specialness’. I had no idea what I was going to do. There is a similar story about the Kotzker and a man who comes to him for help with problems in emunah --- that one is also often retold in a distorted way. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. I've heard people admit when asked uncomfortable questions that they 'just don't look at it too close'. One of my earliest scifi reads was Cities In Flight by James Blish. He does not believe that God commanded him to perform this act. … The Master teaches the student that God Created everything in the wordl to be appreciated since everything is here to teach us a lesson. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. But under that umbrella are many shades and grades of disbelief and many people with different […] impersonation or misrepresentation, fraud or phishing, etc. Atheism (having no belief in a god or goddess, or actively denying the existence of a deity.) To me it is a form of altruism. they're related; they're not the same. Isn't it better to do all these acts of charity out of wanting the world to be a better place than appeasing something partly your own benefit? The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. Why did God create them?”, The Master responds “God created atheists to teach us the most important lesson of them all — the lesson of true compassion. @Geoffrey51 really we are made in its image not the main point really you going that way are you sure you are not religious nut. @benhmiller. The peel is there but not necessarily going to be part of our meal. Except for the part about religious Students or especially Masters being right or moral. And positive outcomes happen when say you be nice to others or give to charity. Why Did God Create Atheists? I haven't read a book yet 'for atheism' that says they can prove a god doesn't exist. Assholes exist in every demographic. One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? One clever … You know, like gay people, and atheists. Martin Buber was one of the great existential philosophers. The lengthy history of Hasidism, the numerous schools of thought therein, and particularly its use of the traditional medium of homiletic literature and sermons – comprising numerous references to earlier sources in the Torah, Talmud and exegesis as a means to grounding oneself in tradition – as the almost sole channel to convey its ideas, all made the isolation of a common doctrine highly challenging to … @benhmiller well THAT's ridiculous. Older dictionaries define atheism as “a belief that there is no God.” Clearly, theistic influence taints these d… One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? When I was in the Catholic church I remember several lessons (which are ignored by those doing the preaching) and one was the concept of Agape love. "In fact, he does not believe in God at all, so his acts are based on an inner sense of morality. Then of course they want you to come back (in time to give money I presume). Chat or rant, adult content, spam, insulting other members. -- anyway it's an anti-dan quayle joke and translates beautifully into an anti-trump joke) and another one of my favorite stories has god, the devil and a bit of magic in it (it's about literacy). That's not the point and that's not what atheism means. Atheism is not an affirmative belief that there is no god nor does it answer any other question about what a person believes. Are Atheists over or under ... "There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? Instead, they resort to insults and name-calling. Surrounded by their certainty, their food, their self-righteousness and their minivans. But there are limits. Birth defects and diseases that kill and cripple. And is not doing any help to justify his metaphysical beliefs. (they're only useless if you believe they're factual; they're not useless in terms of giving children an outlet for their fears and other emotions). Atheist ex-Muslim here, I wish my community was half as nice as yours . The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. Harm to minors, violence or threats, harassment or privacy invasion, There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very issue (except that whole Jew vs Christianity thing, but I think you'll get the idea). This too can be uplifted through deeds of charity. I'll stick with being a good atheist always. Harm to minors, violence or threats, harassment or privacy invasion, @benhmiller Perhaps because humans aren’t it’s main point of interest the same way that we peel some vegetables. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. Both of these positions are axiomatic and the foundations for their respective moral systems. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. “This means,” the Master continued “that when someone reaches out to you for help, you should never say ‘I pray that God will help you.’ Instead for the moment, you should become an atheist, imagine that there is no God who can help, and say ‘I will help you.’” Tales of the Hasidim is a book of collected tales by Martin Buber.It is based on stories—both written and spoken—based in the Hasidim. "There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. @callmedubious all knowing and all powerful and perfect, “This means,” the Master continued “that when someone reaches out to you for help, you should never say ‘I pray that God will help you.’ Instead for the moment, you should become an atheist, imagine that there is no God who can help, and say ‘I will help you.’”. no compromise of principles and no suspension of disbelief beyond the usual is necessary. In the story he said there would never be electronics on Jupiter because the great pressure makes it too hard to maintain a vacuum. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. They can never answer that. Why razairazerci: religiousragings: There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. you don't have to believe in any gods to appreciate it. In my life I have gone from a believer to atheist and back again half a dozen times, yet the whole time I was Jewish. I mean... literally this "story" highlights the arrogance of religious people, not the virtues of atheists. @benhmiller , '” If there is redemption in religion, I believe it is when people come to understand this story. Atheism is a big umbrella. I suspend my belief in facts when appropriate to accept the underlying story. There are about as many ways to disbelieve as there are ways to believe — different degrees, different emphases, and different expressions. Suspending disbelief in statements that later turn out to be difficult doesn't detract from the story. We rely on members to let us know when posts contain content that violiate the, Your Reports Help Protect the Agnostic Community, Chat or rant, adult content, spam, insulting other members. If God exists (I am agnostic) then He wants us to be kind. Hasidic tale about atheism Just something I wanted to share that came up in another subreddit but is relevant here as well: There is a famous story told in Hasidic literature that addresses this very question. Never. In fact, he does not believe in God at all, so his acts are based on an inner sense of morality. One clever student asks “What lesson can … @benhmiller Nah. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. (My dad died 9 years ago). Agnostic.com is a non-profit community for atheists, agnostics, humanists, freethinkers, skeptics and others. This is how i told my mom. I still feel out of place as someone who doesn’t believe in G-d even though I was raised in the Reform denomination. Atheism is too often defined incorrectly as a belief system. In 1811, when The Necessity of Atheism was first published, the tract caught the attention of the administration at Oxford University, where Shelley was a student. The deans gave him the choice between renouncing his writings or facing expulsion. The Master responds “God created atheists to teach us the most important lesson of them all — the lesson of true compassion. aesop's fables are useless because a fox can't talk? One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? And look at the kindness he can bestow upon others simply because he feels it to be right.” One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? —Martin Buber, Tales of Hasidim Vol. Mom: Chal mandir chalte hain darshan kare abhut time ho gaya tujhe. you're not supposed to suspend disbelief. Same with everyone who is an asshole. One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists… It was said (actually the Kotzker said) it was because he spent too much time reciting and repeating the words; “And who by fire” as per the High Holiday prayer service. What's that old story that no one ever sincerely goes to Seminary school and graduates believing in God? A blog applying the wisdom of the Kotzker Rebbe to contemporary Jewish issues. um, no, that's not what the story says at ALL! There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. Why Did God Create Atheists? “This means,” the Master continued “that when someone reaches out to you for help, **you should never say ‘I pray that God will help you.’**Instead for the moment, you should become an atheist, imagine that there is no God who can help, and say ‘I will help you. It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods. 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