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</body></html>";s:4:"text";s:22651:"Terms & Conditions Machines with fixed measuring gauges will not be accurate when measuring clubs with offset, progressive offset, or face progression hosel positions. The fact remains that only stronger, faster swings can support lower lofts. Hi all, I was wondering if bending a club 2* strong would affect the playability of said club? I was 50 yards out on the 3rd hole, and was in the moguls. So, I am now waiting for a major brand to market and advertise that their new, weaker lofts will add distance for most golfers. Bubba might better be able to answer that question, I know you can with the mb or cbs. This is a statistic that is fairly consistent across all abilities of amateur golfers with only a five percent difference across all golfers. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. Ping G425 5 wood & hybrid Military. He hasnt let that chance go, and while the opening nine events certainly havent been stunning seven missed cuts he showed up at Bermuda, finishing 35th after entering Sunday inside the top-15. There are however a few key points that golfers need to know about changing the lie angle of their club so that they can get the most out of their club. Another point regarding GI/SGI clubs that I would love to see a fitter touch on is shaft length. Copyright 2023 Mitchell Golf Equipment Company. By Unless of course it's a long iron and you have a hard time elevating it in the first place. A lot of mixing and matching I have read that if you bend 1 degree strong you lower the bounce on the iron. Why would you weaken the lofts of every club and increase the bounce angle by a proportionate amount if you could just get rid of the 3 iron and add a gap wedge? An Aussie with a residence in Scottsdale, playing on a windy coastal track this is a great chance. 716 MB'S. United States. When you make the club loft stronger you decrease loft, when you make it weaker you increase the loft. Titleist Response to USGA / R&A Distance Insights. Not every iron or wedge can be bent. Your email address will not be published. This happens probably most frequently with wedges, when a person wants to play 3 instead of 4 wedges for example. All very well getting consistent loft gaps if your distance gaps are varied. Bending 2* strong will increase the clubs digging tendencies. people hit it further because of stronger lofts is such a wifes tale. If experience still trumps explanations, simulations and printouts, print out some ebay listings there are lots of older sets with barely used 3 irons. Brent Grantcould very well be one of the seasons fairy stories by September, having already secured his 2022/23 card with a stunning 50-foot birdie putt on the last hole of the Korn Ferry Tour Championship enough to finish 11th and sneak in. Not only does it mess with the bounce/offset, but it's only a number on the sole if the club. ** Due to coronavirus and the work restrictions in place here in Michigan, for international orders, please email info@mitchellgolf.com for a complete quote. They know how much torque to put on the hozzel. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I am purchasing new irons and am seriously considering getting the lofts 2* weak to create a 48* PW and 4* loft spacing. Weakening lofts makes zero sense to me. Pasted as rich text. Some 5-irons are 27. Thankfully gone are the days of everyone demanding s300 S or X when they dont have the swing speed to support them. I do know a typical modern club the PW has the loft of like an older blade 8 iron. Add loft for distance?????? As club fitters, you have to find the balance between measurable results and what the customer THINKS is happening. TM M2 8.5* Graphite Design Tour AD GP 6X+ So I hit my standard 50 yard pitch with a 54* wedge. First, is it safe to have P790s bent that much? Thats why I recommend that golfers get fit for irons on golf radar by a certified fitter who understands how loft and COG work together in iron design. If you've got 2* upright and don't need that configuration, the heel will dig in and you'd pull the shots left (right handed). In some cases "craftsman's" marks on the hosels may result from bending them to the required loft / lie. Bounce means nothing. If the customer cant get the 4 iron in the air, pull that too and give them a hybrid that will get in the air. If you're a true picker, wont make you a digger. The ball came out much higher and shorter, just like you would expect from a 63*. I meant decrease loft and make stronger. If jacking with strong lofting one you need to have a good fitter/ instructor work with you on your model suggestion and what will fit your swing. In The BagDriver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65xStrong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400. Odyssey 2-ball Pro-Type milled face putter. In my experience I have seen guys in the 8-14 handicap range with moderate ball speed try X Hot irons, and see much better results with the Rocketbladez. So if you have the time, watch this cool video that I really like explaining how important lie angle is for your golf game: Having and knowing the correct lie angle of your clubs will be a game changer, I promise! If you can get it in the air, no problem. St Louis, MO. VokeySM6 Raw- 50F, Scotty Cameron X5R Flow Neck Torched Finish. The reason this happens has to do with an irons center of gravity (COG), because when you lower an irons COG you add a lot of potential height to a golf shot. ***GIVEAWAY*** Cleveland CBX ZipCore Wedge! Paste as plain text instead, *Performance average removes all outliers good and bad, to give a distance based on how far a well struck shot will go. You hit the golf ball off of the heel of the club often causing the golf ball to hook or pull, You are playing clubs too short for you (again. But regardless of the type of change you are trying to make, you also have to be willing to commit to it and suffer the learning period oftentimes you have to get worse (for a while) to get better (permanently). with more loft than its designed for, so he cant go wrong by bending heads stronger. That is a two club difference. There is no question that golf is one of the hardest, if not the hardest, games in which to become reasonably proficient. most amateurs like to hit the long ball not the low score. Callaway Epic - HZRDUS BlackCobra F9 3 Wood Featured Section: (I ran into this today.) Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. Tour Preferred X or TP5x ball. But i am talking more along the lines of the bounce, leading edge, etc. 5 Testers Needed! I would be using it off the ground as well, a little of both. Whether its changing the lie to improve accuracy or changing loft to make sure that the players clubs are progressively consistent, angle bending is a major factor in club performance. How much of static bounce is positive at impact?..we have to start from a static bounce of MORE than the difference to have any, and 31* minus 20.2* = 10.8 static bounce is needed to get ZERO. Not a dispute with the OP, maybe even validation, but what about head style? The incredible story behind Arnold Palmers $275,000 irons from the 1960s, OLD vs. NEW: TaylorMade Tour Preferred MC 2011 irons vs. My modern irons (Full launch monitor numbers), Legendary club designer Larry Bobka speaks on his new $599 blade irons, What are these?! Thats basically what companies are doing anyway. Hes happy to answer any of your questions! Reset Password If your Ball Speed was higher than that, say up to 125, which is a few MPH slower than PGA Tour average, you would want spin to stay within 200-300 RPMs higher, and Launch Angle to come down to about 14*. If the added ball speed of modern irons is not enough to achieve an ideal landing angle, I have to add loft. Uneven lies can vary more than an inch, and based on club geometry that is 1.6* right there, and I can't say I had much effect on the playability of the club. It is hard for some golfers to understand how irons with more loft can help them hit the ball farther, and this is understandable. I just purchased a new set of 716MB irons. Even the most skilled repair professionals can occasionally break a club. You must log in or register to reply here. When my first 'proper' set of clubs (MP30s) were done - at the same time as a Driver Shaft fitting - a couple were out considerably (the 6 iron had the loft of a 5!)! Much of Harrison Endycotts claims were covered in the2023 Players To Followlist, but the summary is worth repeating to justify his selection this week. 00bolt, May 18, 2017 in WRX Club Techs. Pasted as rich text. DO NOT SEND PMs WITH CLUB TECH QUESTIONS - USE THE PUBLIC FORUM. It wasn't so much the distance I was concerned with but that I hit it a bit too high with a normal swing and it caused some issues on windy days. Club Repair Seminar shows golfers the importance of checking the specs.. having a discussion with a friend and we are in disagreement. Will that change the playability of the irons dramatically? Would bending it serve the same result? When this happens, its usually the result of some type of inconsistency in the metallurgy of the club. Fairway Metal- Taylormade SLDR Mini Driver 12* w/ Fujikura Rombax TP95-X", Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions), Irons- Mizuno MP- FLI HI 2i w/ Aldila Proto ByYou 100X Where Can You Get Your Lie Angle Adjusted, Should You Use Heavier Shafts in Wedges? If a golfer was a digger, will he/she still get somewhat better turf interaction with the GI irons vs. with a players irons? I am 2 handicap, playing Scottish Links golf, smooth tempo, 80-90mph, pretty straight flight, shallow divot. If you are taking big divots with a 2 iron you have some serious problems with your swing. TM TP EF Tour Issue 50* & 56*, 62* With all due respect, I am not saying you do not, but club fitters do this all the time and if they mess it up then they can replace the club. May 23, 2016 at 04:54 PM. I bent them 4 degrees strong to keep my flight down as I hit moon balls with my X700 shafts hardstepped X3 ", Ping G400 Testing G410. And you are right about the irons listed, X Hot is a shockingly low launching iron and the G25 would be the exact opposite, with Rocketbladez mixed in the middle. Say you start with a classic blade 7 iron with 40* static loft by how much could you reduce the loft in conjunction with a GI head design without launching the ball lower? More than likely you will hit the ball a bit farther as well, potentially close to 1/2 a club. Strengthening loft also increases the offset of the head. Ping G410 LST 3 Wood Oban Tour Prototype V430 If you have any doubt about the hand position, think of this scenario. I tried it today but I can still hit my 6i farther than my 64 degree lw. Surely getting consistent results and regular yardage gaps between clubs is more important than shooting for some ideal stats that may go against your natural swing? Its taking up to 2 degrees off each iron. Well this article outlines a variety of statistics which will help you pinpoint which areas of the game you are above or below average. APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! Will it affect offset? Still have questions? Ping G410 3, 5 and 7 wood, Ping G410 5 hybrid-not much use. At 100 mph you are obliterating the ground. Display as a link instead, About time someone who knows what theyre talking about said what the the real deal is with loft and modern clubs. I am constantly amazed at how many golfers are trying to play the game with a fundamentally unsound hold of the club. You cannot paste images directly. pic.twitter.com/dNhfPEcR4F https://t.co/Talvwe7Kng. We also see these players having gapping issues with a mid iron, not just 4 and 5 like your example, so adding loft achieves better gapping as well. They wont question a fitter who recommends that they switch to a 10.5-degree driver instead of an 8.5 or 9.5, because those are established as acceptable driver lofts. Youll be amazed at the difference a properly fit set of irons can make to your game. It just depends. I am now thinking I am just going to bend my 712 Ap2 irons to the 714 AP2 specs so my gaps will match up better with my wedges. I was thinking of bending my irons 3 degrees stronger as my ball flights were too high, but then there would be a big gap to fill between the pitching wedge and the gap wedge, and potentially more side effects of bending the clubs then. May 20, 2016 at 10:43 AM
That means someone who has a ballflight thats too low, he delivers the head with less loft than needed, and by that less than the design of the head is meant to be played with, so he cant go wrong by tweaking lofts weaker. Would they still be ideal? You might as well get a distance gap before bending. Manage your expectations, dont expect to hit every shot close, Make smarter club choices based off the above, Be sensible: The middle of the green is a GREAT place to be, The average golfer will get up and down from a bunker, 1 out of 5 times, The average golfer manages to get up and down around 1 in 3 times, Short game shots from the fairway have the highest success rate. Titleist U500 3 & 4 Oban Kiyoshi Purple Tour Reserve Clear editor. That's what I did with my 4i: took out the 95 gram KBS shaft and replaced it with a 75-gram SteelFiber 780 HLS hybrid shaft. Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. Does that create the maximum distance for that ball speed? Titleist Response to USGA / R&A Distance Insights, Bending 716MB irons 1 or 2 degrees strong. Thats not to say this exotic land doesnt bring a classy winner. Approach play is the area of the game that leaves a lot to be desired amongst all levels of amateur golfers. Here are some of the facts, and fallacies, about club adjustment. sorry, didnt mean increase loft. But bending an iron weak is not as well understood by many golfers, so they are more hesitant. How noticeable will the difference in trajectory be and will distances change? Bending the hosel toward or away from the face plane, opens or closes the clubs face angle. Needless to say, some people need more bounce than others; pickers don't need much bounce but diggers do. Ordering & Information While you might prefer the overlap, interlock or full-finger style, the hold on the golf club is pretty much the same the upper portion of the grip has to be under the pad of the upper hand and held more in the fingers than the palm of both hands. Golfers can see their spin rate drop thousands of RPMs from the rough (depending on the rough and type of lie), so being able to keep their shots in the air with enough spin to stop the ball on the green can be a huge part of helping them shoot lower scores. Never go more than 2 degrees when making adjustments. My 54 wedge has 12 of bounce and the divots I take with it are just a big as all the rest. In 11 starts since gaining his place at the top level, the 26-year-old has made four cuts, including a first-time-out 12th at the Fortinet, 10th in Bermuda (led after a first round 62), 22nd at the American Express 7th after day one) and top-30 at the Plantation Course last week. The 2 that were out the most went from 'avoided' clubs to 'favourites'! Even if you want to say a weakened 4 iron is longer in length than a 5 iron of the same loft and therefore goes farther, your gaps in your set will still be equally proportionate. Lofts don't always come in 4-degree increments. I already have a udi 2i and am too cheap to buy a 1i to replace it. While golf club manufacturers certainly try to make a consistent product, there are often inconsistencies in the lofts and lies of the clubs and they may not be progressively consistent from one club to another. I dont want the extra length added to the shaft plus the x7 2i shaft I have for it is the last x7 shaft i have. All Rights Reserved. ***GIVEAWAY*** Cleveland CBX ZipCore Wedge! Hi Greyson, Bending your irons strong will reduce the bounce of the club. It flies lower and that is about it. Upload or insert images from URL. "If you have any doubt about the hand position, think of this scenario. Here are the different ways fitters change the lie angle of a club: A club can either be bent to an upright position (toe higher than heel) or flat (toe lower than heel) usually in increments of 1 or 2 degrees. A flat lie angle is simply when the heel of the golf club is bent so it is higher than the toe. probably best to just change the shaft length), You stand tall over the golf ball when swinging, Your golf ball starts towards the right of your target (left for lefties), You hit the golf ball off the toe of the cub more often causing the clubface to open up and create push or slice. In the grand scheme of things, I would say zero effect. Then if your wedge gaps are off you might tweak them a degree. Strengthening adds offset, the sole of the club is effectively moved back, the hosel is fixed, therefore the leading edge of the sole moves away from the ball, adding offset. Offset degrees especially with a long iron can be a factor along with sole design. Will bending irons 2 degrees strong promote more of a draw ball flight? A standard golf shop, or fitting center will be able to do this. It is common for a golfer with a swing speed of 70-to-80 mph or less to hit the ball with a lower trajectory than what is considered ideal. By Greyson P. I just purchase a great used 712 AP2 set. Are their ways to ensure a club wont break? Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. ENTER NOW! I do not disagree with you on the long irons Drew, we have hybrids to replace those. What the heck are they were talking about? The Wedge Guy: What really makes a wedge work. Your link has been automatically embedded. As long as the spin rate is acceptable, the new irons, because of their lower center of gravity, are going to produce more speed off the face (due to the lower loft and lower COG) and more distance. I have been reading that the more offset you add it will end up more of a hook shot. 3" = 4.6* and 6" = 9.2* change in loft. Location. Since clubs are bent with iron bars by applying pressure on. From my research into various golfer communities, it is highly likely that if you are reading this blog post you probably are playing to somewhere between a 5 and 16 handicap. Humans think theyre logical but when it comes down to it (when the wallet hits the counter), they are controlled by feelings, who they wish they could play like and what company has qualities that match their identity. Theyre selling the clubs by saying that you will hit them longer, yet like you said, many of those whod need the help arent really hitting at least the longer irons any longer. I'm curious what effect bending the irons 1 or 2 degrees strong would have on the irons playability. The bounce angle will also change when making the clubs stronger or weaker. Required fields are marked *. Late to the party but I was just searching this topic and saw your post, I just bought an old set of mizuno's that are bent 2* strong for the exact same reason as you stated above. The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. Definitely worth getting L/L check done and adjusted where necessary. question on bending a forged iron 2 degrees strong By ssfranny, January 22, 2019 in WRX Club Techs Reply to this topic Start new topic ssfranny Lefty Boomers 3.5k Feedback 20 0 0 Total Rating 100% Posted January 22, 2019 Have a set of basically new MP 53s I want to bend them 2 degrees strong to make them play more a modern loft. After this long introduction, Nick keep preaching this gospel. Bending strong 2* decreases bounce by 2* and increases offset by about .75mm. Are you above or below average for some or all of these statistics? Bottom line: bending 2* strong may or may not cause issues. The Topgolf Blue Flag Challenge: Can you go 5-for-5 from 155 yards? There was only an added 2 yards with the stronger lofts of trackman. What I havent seen mentioned is that iron shafts have changed a great deal and offer more low kick (higher launch/spin) options to be able to match with those lofts. Remember, the set is not necessarily progressively consistent from one club to another, and therefore each club should be checked. Show Your True Colors With Mitchell Golfs Custom Color Program. Well driving iron to be exact. If the launch conditions work, what matter the number on the club? Since loft and bounce is connected, and cant be split no matter what we do. For most players the answer is - MORE than we normally can bend static lofts (plus minus 2*) The trajectory, depending on your swing, should be flatter. Secondly, it also takes absolutely no athletic ability to learn how to set up in the proper posture to make a sound golf swing possible. But if it'll mess up the performance or whatnot, I'm not messing with it. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. Like most things in life, the real answer is it all depends, golf is probably the only sport where they use generalization to describe something that is quite complicated. Yes for that particular Ball Speed, the ball can not carry any further with a better stopping power than with those conditions. Bending 2* strong will increase the clubs digging tendencies. 2. The 2-degree limit is only recommended when changing the lofts on irons due to the potential effect such bends will have on the sole angle of the club. High bounce irons absorb a change like this more easily. And its one of only two elements of the golf swing that require absolutely no physical skills. Brilliant information ! I've bent tons of clubs. You can be assured there is not a single successful player in the professional ranks who does not have a fundamentally sound grip on the club. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Military. Ball- Bridgestone Tour B X, In the grand scheme of things, I would say zero effect. If you are a true sweeper that may be ok but you may not see that big distance gain you are hoping for. ";s:7:"keyword";s:30:"bending irons 2 degrees strong";s:5:"links";s:368:"<a href="https://rental.friendstravel.al/storage/g1psm1p/did-jess-and-gabriel-wait-until-marriage">Did Jess And Gabriel Wait Until Marriage</a>,
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